Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Yes, but ...
Good perspective, and good advice. Alas, I no longer believe that those on the opposite side in this Cold Civil War are deserving or more respect that General Lee's troops, that July 4th 1863. It is indeed a war, but Lee's troops at least made their case honestly, putting their own hopes and dreams for the future to the test. They didn't stoop to the hypocrisy of today's Progressives, with pretty lies intended for plausible deniability until it's too late.
Tools. There's no way to give these people credit. In fact, I do believe that Gen. Lee referred to the Yankee armies as "those people". Note to Progressives: it was not a term of endearment.
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Someone needs to re-write the words to "I'm a good 'ol Rebel" to reflect the current times. But what rhymes with ObamaCare and Roberts?
After watching this clip, I saw he had one called "Han Shot First", and I watched that one.
Bill Whittle is a genius. He speaks common-sense truth, and it resonates with a LOT of us.
Someone needs to re-write the words to "I'm a good 'ol Rebel" to reflect the current times. But what rhymes with ObamaCare and Roberts?
Now, that would be good!:)
I love Bill Whittle's enduring optimism. Helps me feel hope.
Also, to be blunt, it was legal — nay, even encouraged! — to take up arms against the Rebs.
What scares me is that the Civil War destroyed the republic made of several states, and replaced it with what has become the American empire.
Of course, we are all taught that the war was to end slavery, but it was really the war to subjugate the states to the federal government.
(Remember that New Jersey was the last state to outlaw slavery. Slavery in NJ did not end until 1866.)
I understand your position in claiming a "Cold Civil War" but I must admit my concerns that it will stay that way forever. I fervently desire that you are correct, but if this is America - and, while I have grave doubts that it is - I would not rule out the possiblity that you may be mistaken.
"Obamacare: don't you dare!"
The war was not to end slavery but to bring the Southern states back under an oppressive and hostile fed.gov. General Lee's troops were fighting for their independence.
28. “Lincoln’s war implied, and the Gettysburg Address set to words, a firm message to the States of the Union, ‘I love you all, and if you leave me, I’ll hunt you down and kill you.’ The Address was not the sagely comments of a wise statesman, rather the vain, obsessive ranting of a power-hungry demon engaging in a blood-thirsty mission of self-aggrandizement, no matter the volume of corpses required to attain it.”
--Lewis Goldburg
9. "The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination -- that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves."
Whoops. I left out the author.
9. "The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination -- that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves."
H. L. Mencken
I cannot abide the argument the the Civil War was not fought over slavery. While it's true the declaration for the North's aggression was the preservation of the Union, I ask you, what 'right' were the southern states seeking to determine for themselves?
A bicameral congress, the 3/5 compromise, the Missouri compromise, Bleeding Kansas and Harpers' Ferry all revolved around one singular issue. In this light, the Constitution itself can be seen a compromise with the hope the a peaceful resolution to slavery could be achieved.
the 3/5 compromise
The South wanted to treat them as whole, but the North did not and forced the 3/5ths, so the talking point, ad infinitum, saying the South only considered them as 3/5ths of a person is bogus.
Brock,
My point was simply that the issue of slavery had been a sticking point since the nations' inception, not that that either side had the moral high ground.
My point was simply that the issue of slavery had been a sticking point since the nations' inception
Certainly. I always say the North and South were like a husband and wife who after a long time didn't agree on anything and it was time for a divorce. They couldn't even agree on the capitol construction.:)
Brock,
I completely agree with the husband/wife comparison. As I live in ATL, the specter of the Civil War still looms large here. A couple of years ago when Sherman's dairy was up for sale, many wanted to purchase it simply to burn it.
I've often wished the issue of states right centered around a more benign cause. But much of the concentration of Federal power can be attributed to one group of people actively choosing to marginalize another. The Civil War and the Civil Rights movement being two prominent instances.
A couple of years ago when Sherman's dairy was up for sale, many wanted to purchase it simply to burn it.
Hilarious. Ought to find a link.
The last state to rid itself of slavery was a northern one, and the emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the states under rebellion.
Slavery was doomed, as the industrial revolution was ending the practice anyway. There were many countries in Europe that ended slavery without bloodshed.
Besides, it isn't as though the sweatshops in the north were any better. The 'employees' in those sweatshops were chained to their work stations, worked 6 days a week for 16 hours a day, often at the age of 12 or less.
The southern states were not rebelling, they were leaving. Although the split was caused by slavery, the war was caused because Lincoln couldn't stand watching them go. He was a dictatorial tyrant.
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