Wednesday, September 28, 2011

The Man who knew too much, didn't

G.K. Chesterton famously told a parable in The Thing:
In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it."

This paradox rests on the most elementary common sense. The gate or fence did not grow there. It was not set up by somnambulists who built it in their sleep. It is highly improbable that it was put there by escaped lunatics who were for some reason loose in the street. Some person had some reason for thinking it would be a good thing for somebody. And until we know what the reason was, we really cannot judge whether the reason was reasonable. It is extremely probable that we have overlooked some whole aspect of the question, if something set up by human beings like ourselves seems to be entirely meaningless and mysterious. There are reformers who get over this difficulty by assuming that all their fathers were fools; but if that be so, we can only say that folly appears to be a hereditary disease.

This is an argument that Progressives love to ignore, because it is a direct attack on their perceived intelligence.  Can't have that.

But the historical result of Progressive policy prescriptions is a never ending recital of unintended consequences.  Advantage: Chesterton it would seem.

Eric Raymond has a very thought provoking post about what sexual liberation has done to women:

Women are hypergamous. They want to marry men who are bigger, stronger, higher-status, a bit older, and a bit brighter than they are. This is massively confirmed by statistics on actual marriages; only the “a bit brighter” part is even controversial, and most of that controversy is ideological posturing.

OK, so what happens when women get educated, achieve economic equality, etcetera? Their pool of eligible hypergamic targets shrinks; the princess marrying the swineherd is a fairytale precisely because it’s so rare. More women seeking hypergamy from a higher baseline means the competition for eligible males is more intense, and womens’ ability to withold sex vanishes even supposing they want to. Thus, college campuses today, and plunging marriages rate tomorrow.

The question becomes: what are we going to give up? Family formation? Sexual equality? Sexual liberty?
The whole thing is very thought provoking, and is entirely unconsidered by the last generation of Progressives.  They tore down a gate because it was inconvenient.  None of them foresaw where we've ended up.

But don't forget, they're smarter that you or I.  And they have women's real interests at heart.  If those interests include a lack of marriage prospects and a lifetime of loneliness, then eggs, omelets.

What's the solution?  Beats me.  I don't understand where all these dang gates came from.  Besides, I'm clearly a Thought Criminal and an Enemy Of The State.

Note: Yes, this wasn't from The Man Who Knew Too Much.  I was going for the post title.

8 comments:

ProudHillbilly said...

And there you have my reaction to knee-jerk rejection to Catholic teachings (Humanae Vita comes to mind.) Reflection leads to recognition of where the law of unintended consequences could kick in.

However, since Progressives are so much superior than poor low IQ folks like us, they often fail to see the train barreling down the track until after it has run over them, despite the fact that we've been yelling for them to get off the track for some time. And they completely fail to see the connection between walking on the track and whatever ill befalls them.

Orphan said...

I personally find this particular example less than stellar thinking. First, it presumes hypergamy. Don't believe everything evolutionary psychologists tell you; indeed, a good rule of thumb is to assume that they have no idea what the hell they're talking about, and spend most of their time making shit up that sounds good without basing it in fact. (Fact: Studies in precisely this subject have utterly failed to come to any kind of consensus, statistically significant or otherwise; there's no evidence that modern women do indeed have an inclination to marry up, at least within the United States.)

Second, it presumes such behavior is in any sense a thing to be maintained. Personally, as a male, the idea of a woman being attracted to me because I'm better than her is offensive. Because I'm a virtuous person, yes, because I am a more virtuous person than her, hell no.

Your paradox also cuts both ways; he wants to do away with sexual liberation because of the consequences he sees while ignoring the consequences which surrounded the construction of this gate, which apparently he missed, because fundamentally his argument can be summed up as "Women should aspire to be inferior to men for the sake of society." That's the kind of thinking the gate of sexual liberation was put up to put a stop to.

Goober said...

The above analysis starts and ends with the assumption that women are hypergamous. I just don't see it. Mostly what I see are women marrying men who are about their age, about as wealthy as they are, and of the same social class.

Most all the girls I knew in my State College days married a state college boy and are living a state college life within a few states of the state college they went to, and most of them are quite happy.

I'm just not sure that the hypergamous thing is really as big a driver as the author insists. Case in point, it isn't like women only just recently started gaining equality - it's been happening for decades now. Is there some huge decline in marriage rates that i somehow missed out on?

If there are any factors whittling away at marriage, they are easily identified because they are real:

1.) The absolute liability of a man in a divorce proceeding, and the flip-side absolute immunity of the woman. I've seen men who did absolutely nothing wrong as a husband other than marry the wrong woman, be destroyed in every way by the divorce court system. Can't see their kids but they have to pay for them, financially destitute... Well, you've seen the stories. That, plus the blameless nature of the divorce system when it comes to women - she can cheat, and it is his fault for neglecting her. Women nowadays can have all the advantages of being married (money, security, and free babysitting whenever they want) and none of the disdavantages, and it is all due to our divorce court system. This is a big reason to not get married.

2.) The perpetual adolescence of many people, made popular in modern society, and actually encouraged by modern media. I've talked about this before, so i won't belabor it, but when the societal norm is to party every night, view the opposite sex as a conquest, and have zero consequences for any of your actions, what more can be said?

Old NFO said...

Interesting post, and and interesting set of fallout... and I don't have an answer to where this is going to end up either!

Tai said...

What, no Onesday humor?
How about this one I saw on Facebook:
An airplane was about to crash; there were 5 passengers on board, but only 4 parachutes. The first passenger, Sarah Palin said, "I have my own reality show and I am the smartest woman in American history, so America ’s people don’t want me to die.” She took the first pack and jumped out of the plane. The second passenger, John McCain, said, “I’m a Senator, and a decorated war hero from an elite Navy unit from the United States of America ”. So he grabbed the second pack and jumped.. The third passenger, Barack Obama said, "I am the President of the United States and I am the smartest ever in the history of our country, some even call me the Anointed One." So he grabbed the pack next to him and jumped out. The fourth passenger, Billy Graham said to the fifth passenger, a 10-year-old schoolgirl, “I have lived a full life, and served my God the best I could. I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute.” The little girl said, “That’s okay Dr. Graham. There’s a parachute left for you. America’s smartest President took my schoolbag.

Borepatch said...

Tai, I'm slacking off. Thanks for maintaining the tradition here!

Anonymous said...

I think the hypergamy theory falls down because once you are married you tend to find out who is really in charge of the home. Ask millions of men exiled to sheds everywhere.

Anonymous said...

I know the feminists don't have my interests at heart.They've merely an agenda,designed to cause perpetual unhappiness and probably sell something.

BTW,welcome to the "Thought Criminals and an Enemies Of The State!" It is truly liberating to think independently from screeching harpy fembots.

Blessings

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