1.) Every nation at war makes propaganda. I think we should all study up on the Ukrainian propaganda machine, because they're really doing a masterful job. Even after the Ghost of Kyiv was more or less proven to be propaganda, so many people want it so badly to be true that they still believe it
2.) Just because a nation makes propaganda does not make it bad. I see a lot of people reacting very negatively to any suggestion that Ukraine would deign to make any propaganda. I honestly don't understand why saying something is propaganda has become an insult. It's just kind of what governments do
3.) Another thing that bothers me is the very common logic chain of "if one side is lying to me, then the other side must be telling the truth so I believe them." This is literally the dog-turd logic string that many people who are doing the "support Putin, he's fighting against the NWO" q-spiracy dance about bio-weapons labs and such. Consider, if you would, that perhaps it's possible that BOTH SIDES are lying to you. Especially since Russia has been invading oil and oil-infrastructure rich areas of their neighbors for over a decade now, and coincidentally, Ukraine's oil is in Crimea and Donbas. It's really not any more complicated.
Anyway, I guess my thesis is this: during times of war, belligerent nations make propaganda. This is a tale old as time. Just because they make propaganda doesn't make them the bad guy, and it certainly doesn't mean the other side isn't.
@goober Everyone does propaganda and I don't fault them for it. Who I do fault is the corporate media and NATO governments for abetting one side only. I also fault credulous conservatives who are believing the narrative from people who have been lying to us for years about everything.
Propaganda is one thing, lies are another. What we are witnessing are lying propaganda and the usual suspects are aiding and abetting and believing. It is sickening.
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Several things:
1.) Every nation at war makes propaganda. I think we should all study up on the Ukrainian propaganda machine, because they're really doing a masterful job. Even after the Ghost of Kyiv was more or less proven to be propaganda, so many people want it so badly to be true that they still believe it
2.) Just because a nation makes propaganda does not make it bad. I see a lot of people reacting very negatively to any suggestion that Ukraine would deign to make any propaganda. I honestly don't understand why saying something is propaganda has become an insult. It's just kind of what governments do
3.) Another thing that bothers me is the very common logic chain of "if one side is lying to me, then the other side must be telling the truth so I believe them." This is literally the dog-turd logic string that many people who are doing the "support Putin, he's fighting against the NWO" q-spiracy dance about bio-weapons labs and such. Consider, if you would, that perhaps it's possible that BOTH SIDES are lying to you. Especially since Russia has been invading oil and oil-infrastructure rich areas of their neighbors for over a decade now, and coincidentally, Ukraine's oil is in Crimea and Donbas. It's really not any more complicated.
Anyway, I guess my thesis is this: during times of war, belligerent nations make propaganda. This is a tale old as time. Just because they make propaganda doesn't make them the bad guy, and it certainly doesn't mean the other side isn't.
All the wrong people are "standing with Ukraine". That's all I need to know.
@goober Everyone does propaganda and I don't fault them for it. Who I do fault is the corporate media and NATO governments for abetting one side only. I also fault credulous conservatives who are believing the narrative from people who have been lying to us for years about everything.
Propaganda is one thing, lies are another. What we are witnessing are lying propaganda and the usual suspects are aiding and abetting and believing.
It is sickening.
Seems the Bucha incident may have been a complete fabrication by Ukraine:
https://voxday.net/2022/04/05/exposing-the-false-flag/
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