Except it's not about drones, it's about what NATO is up to:
I see throughout X this morning that an enemy has attacked Russian air bases all over Russia with drones launched from concealed launchers that had been free to roam around the country. If you think about it for just a little bit you understand that there was massive collusion on the parts of the various frontier NATO states that permitted drone operators to fly their drones over the frontiers into Russia where they could be collected, armed and concealed in trucks for a long ride to their launch/distribution point.
The thing is though that just as Churchill was content to let Coventry burn despite knowing of the attack in advance, so too is a KGB man willing to sacrifice a few obsolete weapons to gather incontrovertible truth that NATO is carrying out direct attacks on Russia.
What's weird is that I thought that we just had a chance to vote against thermonuclear war in the last election. That seemed like one of Trump's platform planks. I guess I was just overly optimistic.
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An audacious mission, no matter where you stand on the Russia/Ukraine mess. Sadly this will be noticed in Dark Places, and efforts to do the same thing against US and European targets are no doubt being planned right now.
There are tens of thousands (even if only one or two tens) of terrorists that were invited in by the Bidenistas. Why would anyone think they weren't planning like that all along?
But the drones weren't flown into Russia. They were driven in inside semi- trucks. A $20,000 aircraft carrier, instead of $20 billion.
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
It is not just the front line NATO states (assumes this means the Baltics and Poland and not Turkey) but it is the big states as well. Somebody with satellite surveillance capacity. Like us. Or perhaps Britain or Canada accessing US data via Five Eyes. It has long been an tenet of nuclear deterrence that attacking a leg of the nuclear triad by any means is an act of nuclear war. Those bombers were required to be unconcealed by the SALT and START treaties thus making them vulnerable. I believe Trump when he said he was unaware since this act was completely crazy and he vetoed the not so crazy strike on the Iranian nuclear program. So it was the Deep State or our so called allies. As Matt Taibbi put it blowing up the world to own Trump.
You can get all the satellite data from commercial sources. You could always cross the Soviet/Russian border with a well placed bribe. A pretty brilliant attack but at what future cost?
The big question for EU is, What happens if you start WWIII and the US decides to sit it out?
If there is to be WW3, the EU/UK will be a smoking, radioactive hole. I sincerely hope the US does sit that one out.
Tam had a post this morning:
https://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2025/06/laudace-encore-de-laudace-toujours-de.html
In the last paragraph she says:
"To put this all in perspective, remember that Russia set out in February of 2022 to duplicate the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. If OIF had gone like that, we would have been recommissioning M48 Pattons to use as mobile artillery pieces in the bogged-down fighting around Basra in 2006, when a surprise attack blows up half our B52s on the ground at Barksdale, AFB."
I'm assuming that was a combination of praise for the accomplishment of the UKR strike and ridicule at the lack of progress RUS has had in UKR.
But a different thought struck me when I read it. What if that exact scenario happened? What if, while we were fighting in Iraq - and Iraq was being assisted inside Iraq by, say, Russia or China or Iran. What if utilizing that assistance that included: personnel, equipment, weapons, intelligence, direct targeting recon, and/or satellite communications - Iraq struck our continental US based strategic nuclear bomber bases? And took out a significant chunk?
How would we react to that? And do we expect Putin to react differently than we would?
GuardDuck, I would not be at all surprised if the Russians take Western interference as an act of war.
My understanding is that no NATO overflight was involved. For Operation Spiderweb, Ukraine set up fake trucking companies inside Russia, then set up a drone assembly plant inside Russia itself where it manufactured the drones, then had the shipping companies ship them near Russian airbases. The operation took about a year to complete.
It takes two to tango, a Putin has repeatedly refused to come to the negotiating table. We shouldn't be surprised when Ukraine uses every tool at its disposal to continue resisting Russia's illegal war of territorial aggression.
Does anyone know what Lindsay Graham is doing over there?
There are nine acknowledged nuclear powers, several wannabees on deck, and a number of countries that could assemble functioning weapons in minutes to weeks, lacking only the absolute will (as far as we know at the moment). The technology is such that even the Norks and Pakistanis have been able to crack the code, leaving any 50 other nations the bare wherewithal.
Just exactly how was the last election here going to alter the mathematics of that by more than one nation?
Trump deciding to unilaterally throw Ukraine under the bus harder than Biden abandoned Afghanistan was idiotic in the extreme, geopolitically short-sighted to the limits of existing technology to measure, and against the vehement objections of virtually every single NATO ally.
The recent drone strike is what happens when an American president can't hear himself shooting his feet over the sound of his own awesomeness.
It is, in point of fact, another example of FAFO.
It's hard to feel sorry for anyone, even a friend, who throws themself into a briar patch while sane, stone cold sober, and with gleeful abandon.
This drone strike was Michael Corleone telling Trump "Never side with anyone against the family again."
Pray he heeds the lesson. The Tahoe fishing trip is harsh at this level of play.
There is no "sitting this one out".
Once a nuke flies, the impetus, in nine nations, is to expend all remaining.
Sometimes by choice, and frequently because there is no choice.
It basically wipes out the Northen Hemisphere within a week.
Confirmed by reams of strategic war games for the last 70 years.
Assuming there's a neutral corner in a nuclear exchange is a fallacy unsupported by all available evidence.
WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!
Aesop:
Once a nuke flies, the impetus, in nine nations, is to expend all remaining.
Sometimes by choice, and frequently because there is no choice.
If this was EU intel services (as opposed to ours - a BIG "if" especially to the Russians) then maybe Trump should let Brussels and Den Hague and Berlin and Paris and London get glassed by Canned Sunshine. If it was them poking the bear, then it's not our fight, NATO be damned.
Oh, and Aesop - if this was the Corleone gambit by the UN Intel services as you suggest, I would advise that you not cast Trump as Fredo. Everyone has a suggestion as to who Fredo would be here, but it sure isn't Trump. Sure as God made little green apples. It's weird to find myself correcting you on filmology; usually it's the other way around.
Let me elaborate: if this was NSA/CIA/US Intel behind this and the Russians want a scalp to keep from nuking us, and if Trump finds this out (sure as shootin' if this was "sending him a message") then a bunch of Intel execs are fixin' to find themselves on an all expenses pair vacation to Siberia, courtesy of Vlad. A LONG vacation.
Lawrence, I don't expect that "overflight" will be the criterion used in the anaysis in Moscow. Was the NSA/CIA involved in the planning of this? If not, then I feel somewhat better AS LONG AS the Russians come to that same conclusion. The danger is, of course, as Kissinger put it: a bluff interpreted as a threat is more dangerous than a threat interpreted as a bluff.
Glen, I sure hope not, but I don't live too far from Joint Base McDill, HQ CENTCOM.
Aesop again:
The recent drone strike is what happens when an American president can't hear himself shooting his feet over the sound of his own awesomeness.
Aesop, if this was organized by our Intel services (and everyone is falling over themselves talking about how "amazing" this was - no doubt 100% Ukranian without our help for sure, you guys), and if The Queen Of The World and I get nuked because of that, I plan on writing a very strongly worded letter of protest to Langley.
[rolls eyes]
There was this little brouhaha back in the 60's that got my parents a bit riled up.
Seems the US committed an act of war against this other nation. The USSR wasn't real happy about it, and there was a bit of a stand-off. Eventually both sides backed off and nuclear war was averted.
What act of war you ask? Well, enacting a naval blockade, of course. A naval blockade against the independent nation of Cuba, to be specific.
So what we have to ask is - was that act of war justified? In order to keep Soviet nuclear weapons away from our border, was the stated reason.
If we declare that the US could commit that act of war for that reason - cannot Russia justify something similar?
And if we are saying Russia simply cannot expect NATO to not encroach upon it's borders, and further, stand by and allow a prospective NATO member to commit ethnic violence upon Russians right next door to Russia itself - and cannot retaliate nor engage militarily. Then we too have to declare our similar past acts done with just as thin justifications, just as horrendous.
We have, as Americans, a terrible blindness in that we truly think we are always the good guys and that we can do things because we are the good guys that we expect others not to do.
The Rothschilds own Europe (including Britain) and Europe does whatever their owners want done.
A significant majority of (((them))) across the West - 70-75% - yearn for the "good old days" of their Messiahs - Lenin and Stalin - and intend to get there BAMN!
The Soviets put missiles in Cuba because the US put nukes in Turkey. The crisis ended when both sides dismantled their missiles in the country next door.
We did not consider the Soviets sending SAMS to North Vietnam as an act of war. The Soviets did not consider us sending Stingers to Afghanistan an act of war. Even the Nazis did not consider the Lend / Lease program an act of war.
There's a difference in giving weapons to a group that are fighting in their country - and giving weapons that that country uses to attack another country.
And yes, the Nazi's did consider lend lease and act of war - that was the stated reasoning they declared war upon the US after Pearl Harbor. The agreement between Japan and Germany was that Germany was to come to the aid of Japan if Japan was attacked - not if Japan attacked another. So Germany was under no obligation to declare war on the US just because of Pearl Harbor. The actual justification Germany used was the non-neutrality of actions of the US - including supplying arms and munitions to Britain and the Soviets.
Skyler,
Yes, they put missiles in Cuba because we put missiles in Turkey. And we had the nerve to get really upset over those Cuban missiles. Did we not think the Turkish missiles would upset the Soviets?
Luckily the two sides were able to come to a mutual calming down.
How would we have reacted if Mexico had become a Warsaw pact country?
Striking at an arm of the nuclear triad is generally considered an act of war. Of course, it is not mandated to respond to an act of war. Consider the Panay, the Greer and the Rueben James.
It is the targeting that is the key variable. NATO forces have been doing targeting for some time but this is the first strike at the triad. Manned bombers are not very important to the Russian triad, even less so than to ours. The Bears are mostly used for ocean surveillance. The Backfires don't really have the range to strike the US except on a one-way mission. The Blackjacks are the only thing even remotely comparable to the American force and they are thin. This may account for Russian forbearance.
It is not so much the attack which is normal in war but the attack on the triad that is extremely dangerous.
Assuming it's collusion from frontier NATO states doesn't give Ukraine the credit they deserve for their innovation, tactical accumen, and how they are almost singlehandedly changing the face of warfare. They need outside help, but they are doing all the drone work on their own from what I have seen/read.
JFK so trusted the command structure of the military that he got himself patched through so he could give direct orders to turret crews. Over centralization for sure but also insurance against free lancing.
UK just sent them 100,000 drones.
Belay my last.
Yes, it was an act of war.
By Ukraine.
You know, the guys who Russia has invaded and annexed territory from four times since 2014.
Ukraine kicked Vlad right in the nuclear nuts. Hard.
Boo frickin' hoo.
Maybe if Russia doesn't like that, they should invade Ukraine.
Oh, wait, they already did that?
Four times?
Then maybe they should stop doing that, and get themselves back to Russia.
Just a thought.
Glen, your irrelevant reply to nothing anyone said exceeds all expectations. If you just came to fart here so you could sniff your own essence, this probably isn't the place to demonstrate it, no matter how proud you are of the effort. That sort of thing impresses your equals, but when you do it here it pretty much just sums you up.
1) I doubt very much this was done by anyone's intel services. Not theirs, not ours.
2) This strike bespeaks strategic intel of the highest order, probably our own, handed over by the Europeans - with or without our knowledge and consent. (cf. plausible deniability, in every sense.)
3) Yet again, this is not something done by intel services. This is any number of European leaders telling Trump he's lost his mind. He is exactly the Fredo in that scene: he's just been warned. If he persists, next comes the kiss. If he still can't grasp it, then comes the boat ride.
Europe is indicating that while we may not have any skin directly in the game, they do, and 6000 miles closer to the theater of operations, and they (correctly, I would argue) see Trump abandoning Ukraine and simultaneously kissing up to Vlad as an existential threat to themselves, and they're not going to roll over for it, or him not listening to their concerns. They may be the mouthy bitch here, but nothing has started a bar fight between two guys faster than one whiny bitch.
If Trump wanted to move two Army divisions back into Germany to shore up NATO support, and deploy a fighter wing or two back to airbases in Europe, the rest of Europe might let Ukraine wither on the vine.
Trump essentially trying to decouple from Europe and leave them to Vlad's tender embraces leaves them with no choice but to drag Trump back into the game whether he likes it or not.
Desperate nations do desperate things.
And I'm talking about Western Europe. If we polled the Czech Republic, Poland, and the Baltics, they'd want us to send five divisions to Ukraine yesterday, because they know where Russia is going to annex tomorrow, and they've already done that once in living memory. They're not interested in a repeat.
If Trump tries to pull an Afghanistan with Ukraine, Europe will go as far as instigating a war to get him to reconsider that asinine plan. they want Ukraine between themselves and Vlad as much as Vlad wants to drag it back and absorb it into Mother Russia.
Worse for Trump, the Ukrainians feel the same way as the Europeans do.
Trump huffed and puffed, and Vlad doubled down. So a unilateral peace plan where Zelensky surrenders is no longer an option.
Trump is being rather firmly backed into a corner - by Europe - where he either antes back into the game, or starts WWIII by trying to fold.
What he wants to do is no longer an option.
And one he's unfamiliar and unaccustomed to facing. Rookies make mistakes.
Simplistic twaddle.
If that were the case, Europe would have assisted Russia in the takeover of Ukraine, and this would have been over by Week Two.
Instead, we have exactly the opposite.
Stop reading Jooooooooooooooos!-porn
When it comes to getting nuked, you have two possibilities:
Either it happens.
Or it doesn't.
Either way: No Problem.
The pathetic excuse offered was Lend-Lease.
Nine months after the fact.
The reality was they declared war because Hitler was a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur.
And because Lend Lease, by October of 1941, included Russia, and our help was letting Moscow hold out against Germany.
If you're laboring under the assumption that it's Putin that refuses to negotiate, you have some remedial reading to do.
I'm embarrassed that there are still people who seem to think that it is a good idea to engage in warfare of any kind with someone like Putin who is ruling Russia. Putin has no limits. None. Those who think that Trump can be dragged all unwilling to do anything to pull Europe out of the vice it put its balls in, are wrong. The SAMS sent to Russia were a legitimate causus belli and all knew it just as they were highly motivated to make sure that the Soviets were not too inconvenienced by our mining of Haiphong. We worked hard to avoid any direct conflict that could be pinned firmly on us. If you want to see how it plays out without limits, look whose embassy we bombed in xYugoslavia. Did that make a point/a message that we really wanted to send or was it just a tragic bombing accident?
Only a complete imbecile attacks Russia in the name of somebody else. I'm waiting for the long range drones to start showing up over Downing Street and Hett Parliment. Right now they are fully deniable and will be for the foreseeable future. It is also true that Europe is utterly harmless for the next 6-10 years and probably longer. They will recreate weapons and formations to fight their last war and learn nothing from FPV drone killers and hypersonic missiles and about true economic warfare they are just the simplest virgins out there.
I think I might disagree with you on some minor points, HMS. Putler has limits and he knows exactly what they are. He knows what our limits are too. Various morons (who shall remain nameless in deference to our Esteemed Blog host) boasted, when this started 3 years ago - that Putler would be killed by his own people, and Russia would be in ruins within a couple months. Now they’re screaming that Putler is going to nuke us all and WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! There’s only so much you can do with an 85 IQ. Let us dispence with the egos, the hysteria and frankly - the stupidity of men that have been WRONG about everything for the last 5 years.
Or more.
Putler knows who he’s dealing with. (((International globalists))) want to rape and pillage Russia’s resources the same way they did with the Kraine. Putin and his team have watched the steady encroachments of NATO. Our violations of the Minsk Accords are a matter of public record (unless you believe the tripe you read in the mainstream media).
Putin has shown admirable restraint. He has well over 700,000 entrenched men on the border and scattered throughout the Kraine. They are well supplied, with more than enough resources to do the job. WE are the only ones gobbling in fright and hyperventilating about nukes. Putin is going to do exactly what he said he is going to do. He’s going to reclaim the ethnically Russian territories he spelled out 3 years ago. The Kraine will be neutral, the Nazi and undemocratic elements we’ve aligned ourselves with in the Kraine will be neutralized.
And there’s not a thing we can do about it. Blumpf doesn’t want a war, Putin doesn’t want one and as long as our hysterical morons here don’t do anything stupid… this is going to be over soon.
@GF Our hysterical morons here just did something stupid. As if the strike at the triad wasn't bad enough, the triumphalism made it worse. Trump has the sense to keep his mouth shut but the same cannot be said for a bunch of politicians or anyone in Western Europe.
Well you’re absolutely right Richard. That whole war was stupid. You can do all the lame rationalizations and semantic gymnastics you want - but we all have the blood of about 1.5 million Ukes and 300,000+ Russians on our hands. Karma is a bitch and we are tempting the gods to smite us every day now.
But the point is - is that if this goes nuclear it will be us responsible for it.
Trump got handed a crap sandwich by Obama and Biden. Crimea got invaded During the Obama years, and Ukraine got invaded during the Biden years. Trump warned the Europeans in 2017 that they were playing with fire shutting down all their energy plants and buying all their energy needs from Russia to maintain the *Green Illusion*. He also told them to step up their defense spending to meet the minimums of obligations under treaty and was mocked for it and the Western Europeans have also imported their destruction, (But that is another Story) The Eastern Europeans, having lived under the Russian bear don't want to live under that again, they exceed their treaty obligations and they tend to ignore the edicts coming out of Brussels from the E.U. especially in relation to immigration. The Western Europeans help finance Putins war by buying all energy from them. Now I am convinced that when Trump was trying to settle things with Russia and the Ukraine, the Europeans probably spiked the spokes to embarrass Trump because they despise him,*How dare the provincial Americans get all uppity* all the legacy media and "official" media run nonstop messages *Orange man bad* (I have friends over there and they tell me all this). The Western Europeans are hellbent on pushing a confrontation with Russia and hiding under the NATO umbrella and dragging the United States into it.
Glen,
Still trying to rewrite facts to suit your own Straw Man narrative.
How predictable.
I wrote that Putin would be shot by his own people if he reached for the red phone to initiate nuclear war.
So, after rattling the nuclear saber eleventy-seven times since 2/2022, but actually doing nothing, how's that played out?
Vlad can't use nukes, because he'd be dead before his hand reached the phone.
QED
He's still not going to reach for that phone, and we're not all gonna die, and you trying to pretend anyone but you and your co-lumpkins thinking otherwise has been your rhetorical cock-up since this war broke out.
And last I looked, Russia had surpassed the casualties of 10 years in Afghanistan in only three years in Ukraine after an endless stalemate fighting a country 1/4 their size and 1/10th their strength, the ruble is now worth less than the Mexican peso, the only people that want it buy them like Monopoly money to use to pay for Russian oil selling at half-price, their economy is in shambles, they've wiped out half their ground forces to no effect, their air farce and Navy are MIA (except for the parts in flames or transitioned to permanent submarine status), and they need Nork cannon fodder and Iranian drones just to have any relevancy on the battlefield. And the only way they get anywhere is if Trump pulls a Biden Afghanistan Exit, and throws Ukraine under the bus for expediency, setting US foreign policy back almost as far as Pootie-poot has set back Russian international relations, which is a 100-year low. So yeah, they're in ruins.
Gainsaying, and making stuff up to try and prove a pointless point isn't going to cut any ice, and neither is head-in-the-sand AnyDayNow™ optimism in the face of War Day 1200 reality.
And until Putin dies, or gets a Makarov Retirement Party for being a megalomaniacal idiot who's trashed all his previous gains for Mother Russia by instigating this pointless war, this is going to continue until Russia admits it's lost, with both fists and both feet stuck in a tar baby, just like in Afghanistan.
Vlad blew his shot three years ago, and everything since then is just him ignoring reality.
You and he have that much in common. It's tedious to watch, but fun to point out, over and over and over and over and over...pretty much like you telling us all time after time that small drones are totally worthless for inflicting casualties. You really nailed that pronouncement, didn't you?
Thanks for playing, and we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
On another note, I suspect no more than 10% of our nuclear weapons are actually fully functional anymore and I'll be the Russians are in worse shape. You know whose nukes probably don't work at all anymore? Yeah, Britain and France probably scrapped theirs years ago and nobody noticed. At least, if we're lucky, they didn't sell them to the Saudis. Those 3 are capable of anything bad.
Riiiiiiiight.
It's totes our fault that Russia invaded Ukraine four times since 2014, and then started bombing the shit out of Ukraine since 2022. Because we made them do it.
What color is the sky up your tailpipe? That's a level of recockulous codswallop crazy even you haven't reached this far. You've been holding out on us.
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