tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post7478558911782122237..comments2024-03-28T16:31:54.494-04:00Comments on Borepatch: Why police in schools is a bad ideaBorepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-59045410626021543952012-12-24T11:53:45.823-05:002012-12-24T11:53:45.823-05:00An armed, uniformed officer in a school would just...An armed, uniformed officer in a school would just be the first target for a shooter. A quick speed bump to crest before laying into the rest of them like the coward that he is. <br /><br />One uniformed guy isn't the answer. Allowing teachers to be prepared to defend themselves and their students is. The bad guy would have no idea of which teacher to target, and wouldn't be able to get them all, even if he was very good. That's my solution. Goobernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-28387527895063947382012-12-22T16:07:49.242-05:002012-12-22T16:07:49.242-05:00Why not just dump the notion of gun-free zones and...Why not just dump the notion of gun-free zones and allow anyone with a valid CCW to carry in the schools and in other supposed soft target areas that are presently 'gun free'?<br />In Florida, for instance, nearly 5% of the population has a CCW permit. You can make that change with a stroke of a pen, and at nearly no price. At large schools, you'd expect to have quite a few armed people at any given time if say 1 teacher in 40 is carrying concealed (this assumes that teachers are only half as likely to have CCW permits). The uncertainty provides a lot of protection also, because it creates the realization in the minds of the attacker(s) that everything MIGHT NOT GO ACCORDING TO THEIR SCRIPT. That realization seems to be a strong factor---witness that very few mass killings have happened outside a 'GUN FREE ZONE'.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-45943055315327308862012-12-22T10:42:39.154-05:002012-12-22T10:42:39.154-05:00One positive aspect that intrigues me about having...One positive aspect that intrigues me about having 'civilian' volunteer security in schools, as opposed to established police (etc), is that any licensed to carry civilian would be a teacher in the Second Amendment just by default. Such people with the ability to interact with students would be able to defend the Constitution and the liberties therein defined, as well as teach students what the government is not allowed to do.<br />Perhaps paying these volunteers a nominal wage would offset the costs of gas and meals while still maintaining a volunteer facade.<br />But as pointed out by better minds than mine, I don't see much more coming of this but more police state (regardless that schools are already a 'police state' by their nature).<br />My unbidden .02c...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-75028454402053961002012-12-22T10:07:17.343-05:002012-12-22T10:07:17.343-05:00Wait a minute, from the perspective of the student...Wait a minute, from the perspective of the students aren't schools already a police state? What am I missing here?Broken Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01562569871940946226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-25399456775773199612012-12-22T00:08:59.491-05:002012-12-22T00:08:59.491-05:00We have had RSOs at our schools for years.
Curtail...We have had RSOs at our schools for years.<br />Curtail fights, drugs, stop outsiders, and who knows what that big black and white out front has stopped.Skiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05684179171065794525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-2883594996034013892012-12-21T23:14:03.579-05:002012-12-21T23:14:03.579-05:00I expected to be disappointed in the NRA press con...I expected to be disappointed in the NRA press conference, I didn't expect to be appalled. <br /><br />The answer is never more government.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18382683082580500698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-350062870876406662012-12-21T21:47:27.052-05:002012-12-21T21:47:27.052-05:00Preach it, my brother.Preach it, my brother.ASM826https://www.blogger.com/profile/04017388670319590449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-91458910219016489682012-12-21T21:18:25.548-05:002012-12-21T21:18:25.548-05:00It can work Borepatch, relatively cheaply and in a...It can work Borepatch, relatively cheaply and in a way that won't end up with an agency like the TSA. It's all about local involvement and local control. I can absolutely draw up and help implement a program that will recruit, select, train, equip and employ a group of armed police volunteers that can be on station in every school in the country in a very short time. We should talk. Sixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572583408046642437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-49159360353703240072012-12-21T20:06:14.796-05:002012-12-21T20:06:14.796-05:00I should have added, you had me when you mentioned...I should have added, you had me when you mentioned they couldn't fight for their lives - no one could - that is the problem.AussieAlaskanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00948202124199657361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-58837250226886603792012-12-21T20:04:13.992-05:002012-12-21T20:04:13.992-05:00Always enjoy reading your blog, Borepatch. Again,...Always enjoy reading your blog, Borepatch. Again, a breath of fresh air - I agree with you entirely.AussieAlaskanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00948202124199657361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-63546036802963256852012-12-21T19:59:37.205-05:002012-12-21T19:59:37.205-05:00Obviously, that should be "redundancy" a...Obviously, that should be "redundancy" as in not burning your bridges behind you. <br /><br />Not "redunancy", the definition of which I don't know. Grade me on a curve. I'm a dog catcher :)Paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516484024226270103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-18954916354913594852012-12-21T19:35:35.386-05:002012-12-21T19:35:35.386-05:00From a theoretical standpoint I agree completely.
...From a theoretical standpoint I agree completely.<br />If we fail to show up at the "game", we will lose by default and become felons by the simple stroke of a pen.<br />The "other side" cannot be dismissed simply because they are irrational moonbat sheep.kx59https://www.blogger.com/profile/04145047517803465867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-33837488687350907302012-12-21T19:34:42.506-05:002012-12-21T19:34:42.506-05:00I think you are missing something.
An armed Schoo...I think you are missing something.<br /><br />An armed School Resource Officer costs the Wake County (Raleigh, NC area) School district $37,838 per year per officer. Wake County has 169 schools, 105 of which are elementary schools. Just putting an SRO in each elementary school will cost nearly $4 Million.<br /><br />The fact that they can't afford this is a feature, not a bug. We must slam them against the financial wall on this. We need to pass a law that mandates armed security at schools, either a uniformed SRO or armed staff. When many of the smaller counties get the bill, they will opt for armed staff. We give them a choice, and they will have to decide which to choose. If we try to mandate armed staff, we'll get nothing, and no security at all.<br /><br />We can pretend that we want SROs, but in the end we'll get armed staff because that's all the districts will be able to afford.Sean D Sorrentinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710448105506060349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-53391604522235201112012-12-21T19:19:50.823-05:002012-12-21T19:19:50.823-05:00I certainly see your point, and what you foretell ...I certainly see your point, and what you foretell is possible and perhaps even probable as an end result. I think arming and training school staff or vetted volunteers from the community is vastly superior to using police in schools and I fully support that end.<br /><br />But.... <br /><br />We've used police in schools in both the town where I live and the town where I work for years now, without any of the 1984 style jackboot police state results. Not to say it can't happen eventually, but so far no ill effects and more importantly nobody has walked into any schools here and slaughtered anyone.<br /><br />Your personal preference for armed teachers aside, can you honestly say that you believe having an armed police officer inside Sandy Hook when the murder arrived would have been "useless" ?<br /><br />There is a tendancy among people, myself included, to oversell the downside of potential solutions to a problem that aren't our number one pick. I'm a redunancy guy myself. I like to have a plan A... and then a Plan B, C, D, etc. I would love to have armed teachers in the schools. However, I recognize that that dog won't hunt in many places. We should try our best to convince people that it will, but I would caution against overselling the "uselessness" of having cops in the schools in areas that won't budge on arming teachers. We might find ourselves cutting off our noses to spite our faces.<br /><br />Just a thought. If you honestly think that having and armed police officer in Sandy Hook would have been useless, then preach on and I'll be quiet :)Paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516484024226270103noreply@blogger.com