tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post5098342247913762062..comments2024-03-29T09:14:34.373-04:00Comments on Borepatch: Col. Jeff Cooper's advice on the London riotsBorepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-54848677099681441942011-08-12T13:03:20.893-04:002011-08-12T13:03:20.893-04:00Decapitation strikes are most effective against a ...Decapitation strikes are most effective against a mob attempting to mobilise against a particular target.<br /><br />But in terms of widespread looting, arson, vandalism, and random assault, the mob doesn't really have a head to decapitate.<br /><br />Containment is the first step against such a headless mob, but the UK police treated containment as the first AND last step. Big mistake, since they were not even prepared to make containment work, much less the crucial rapid follow-on steps.al finhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13739269791915017382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-333724391831221202011-08-12T04:10:55.812-04:002011-08-12T04:10:55.812-04:00Pity the guy filing this had a camera instead of a...Pity the guy filing this had a camera instead of a Lee-Enfield.Cybrluditehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02222195374935367060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-44632670818127535792011-08-12T00:24:34.178-04:002011-08-12T00:24:34.178-04:00I've been there. 1000 of them and 25 of us. Ro...I've been there. 1000 of them and 25 of us. Rocks, bottles, a-frames, the missiles were flying (I took a rock to the hand, 5 stitches worth). When they started breaking windows and vandalizing businesses enough was enough. We formed up, tossed a smoke grenade and charged. They scattered like the rabbits they really are. Riots aren't as hard as those people would have you think. They're frightening but if you have a spare pair of big boy britches no amount of rioters can stand against well led, well trained and courageous officers.<br />Too bad England seems to be short just such.Sixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572583408046642437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-29020307620572387972011-08-11T19:41:32.834-04:002011-08-11T19:41:32.834-04:00As I recall Col. Cooper somewhere also said "...As I recall Col. Cooper somewhere also said ".22 in the tear duct" when caliber and stopping power were the topic.Kerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03436307862970155155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-68270782978345909692011-08-11T18:53:06.014-04:002011-08-11T18:53:06.014-04:00@DirtCrashr: Discouraging a mob and repelling loot...@DirtCrashr: Discouraging a mob and repelling looters is two different things. Col. Cooper's idea may work on a mob that's taking cues from a leader, but if they're just a random press of thugs I think it'll be less effective.<br /><br />Also, looters (in the house, anyway) don't have as many escape opportunities if they see you're armed, and may fight back. In that case heavier ordnance is your friend.Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813274491601970838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-75795638814325214342011-08-11T18:52:02.200-04:002011-08-11T18:52:02.200-04:00There's a crowd control strategy for ya. Let&#...There's a crowd control strategy for ya. Let's keep backing down so the combatants can keep re-using the stuff they just threw at us.<br />As to terminating the leader's interest in leading, I suspect that depends on how much PCP or Meth he's recently taken.kx59https://www.blogger.com/profile/04145047517803465867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-13004739941934145532011-08-11T18:47:33.049-04:002011-08-11T18:47:33.049-04:00I started to write a comment, and it got too long....I started to write a comment, and it got too long. So, my comment is at my blog. http://gunssmithingandpolitics.com/2011/08/11/on-suppressing-riots/jetazhttp://gunssmithingandpolitics.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-56880890340248029782011-08-11T18:07:39.397-04:002011-08-11T18:07:39.397-04:00Good call! I'm re-thinking the wife's plan...Good call! I'm re-thinking the wife's plan to use her Winchester Model 90 pump .22 on looters when the Big One hits. <br />I had ix-nayed it as mere incitement to more aggression and thought to substitute low-power for high-power with a .223 or better, but crowd convincing could go a long way.NotClauswitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14358707844087117280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-43178887596638072242011-08-11T17:12:52.460-04:002011-08-11T17:12:52.460-04:00I didn't realize that the Israelis got the ide...I didn't realize that <a href="http://www.isegoria.net/2011/08/col-jeff-cooper-on-riots/" rel="nofollow">the Israelis got the idea</a> from Cooper.Isegoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17023207677410289224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-57942248765012003622011-08-11T14:20:46.796-04:002011-08-11T14:20:46.796-04:00I guess the UK now stands for UnKnown.I guess the UK now stands for UnKnown.WoFathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07616237986583760584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-49535404879228183352011-08-11T14:10:22.077-04:002011-08-11T14:10:22.077-04:00Was just now describing Mr. Cooper's idea for ...Was just now describing Mr. Cooper's idea for riot control to a colleague. <br />Not sure if a single .22 would "absolutely" terminate the ringleader's interest, but I'd certainly be willing to have the hypothesis tested in a real-world "lab" like London.Boat Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-21107618595321933492011-08-11T10:46:54.659-04:002011-08-11T10:46:54.659-04:00The only thing coming to mind is that classic line...The only thing coming to mind is that classic line from "Demolition Man":<br />"We're police officers! We're not trained to handle this kind of violence!"ZerCoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08347518441827166007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-17974507707791301592011-08-11T10:37:30.971-04:002011-08-11T10:37:30.971-04:00I have NEVER seen such a perfect example of animal...I have NEVER seen such a perfect example of animals smelling fear and being emboldened by it.TJIChttp://tjic.comnoreply@blogger.com