tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post4988167291502161572..comments2024-03-28T16:31:54.494-04:00Comments on Borepatch: The Democratic Party's 2014 implosionBorepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-76273103930653086922013-11-11T17:34:50.345-05:002013-11-11T17:34:50.345-05:00John hit it on the head there. Between the so call...John hit it on the head there. Between the so called "Moderates" On our side trying to fix this disaster to get some treats from the Media and the fact that the Media is just as glad as the Democrats to spin this as anyone elses fault but their own, this will not go well for anyone but the Democrats. Jesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17973419641321027031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-49791531780171273192013-11-11T16:54:32.523-05:002013-11-11T16:54:32.523-05:00I can see it being spun as "It was a great la...I can see it being spun as "It was a great law, but those eeevvvviiiillllll Republicans didn't give us enough power and that's why it isn't good!"<br /><br />Similar to the "Chicago's gun violence problem is because of the lax gun laws in Indiana" argument. Of course it's patently wrong and stupid, but after Obama was both a dismal failure and thoroughly screwed his own base and then still got re-elected I have given up on the electorate being able to count to 10 let alone draw conclusions based on evidence.John Baloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459126426438059343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-37249641209201444112013-11-11T16:42:40.301-05:002013-11-11T16:42:40.301-05:00John, can't argue with you on the GOP. Just s...John, can't argue with you on the GOP. Just saying that the Democrats have brought this fiasco on themselves.<br /><br />But I can't see how anyone will ever blame "Obamacare" on the Republicans. The Low Information Voters have internalized that this came from Dear Leader.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-24843481069947346212013-11-11T15:46:59.837-05:002013-11-11T15:46:59.837-05:00Good article, but I have two thoughts about it.
1...Good article, but I have two thoughts about it.<br /><br />1. I agree there will be mass seething rage, but who will it be directed towards? Always easier to blame the Jews/kulaks/Republicans etc than the ones who are providing the panem et circenses. <br /><br />2. I remember the last time we had a Republican majority in the House and Senate coupled with a Republican President. And I remember the Patriot Act, Medicare part D, No Child Left Behind, and of course the systematic sexual assault security theater that is the TSA. <br /><br />You may be right that the D's will be taking it in the d in 2014, but I see no realistic hope that things will actually get better in the country as a result.John Baloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459126426438059343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-1891543001098620192013-11-07T12:00:33.067-05:002013-11-07T12:00:33.067-05:00I would point out that seething rage (over ruined ...I would point out that seething rage (over ruined finances and health care) will not go away. Add the fact that the law is widely viewed as illegitimate, and we very well may see a redefinition of the term "safe district". We're a year out from the elections and you're already seeing panic breaking out among Democratic pols. They don't have much faith in a politicized IRS or NSA.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-19839810253123738292013-11-07T11:21:02.485-05:002013-11-07T11:21:02.485-05:00In addition, the Obama Administration will use the...In addition, the Obama Administration will use the power of the IRS to inhibit the campaign activities of anyone opposed to his anointed successor, and will use the NSA to threaten disclosure of inconvenient information about anyone likely to defeat a vulnerable Democrat. And, as for the House, remember how gerrymandered most districts are (dead girl, live boy, etc.).<br /><br />The Democrats have their hands on the tools that should keep them in power for quite a while, unless the GOP elites implode and/or a strong third party emerges, neither of which is likely over the next 12 months. I wish I would have to eat these words a year from now, and I realize that, living in MD, my perceptions are colored by the Marxist majority here, but my reason and experience says otherwise. Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015544320906146949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-15295076808992945912013-11-07T03:47:53.750-05:002013-11-07T03:47:53.750-05:00"IANAL but I really don't see how this is...<i>"IANAL but I really don't see how this is the sort of thing that can be done via Executive Order.</i><br /><br />Uh, BP....didn't His Royal Highness do <i>exactly that</i> when he used an Executive Order to postpone the employer mandate one year? The ACA was established law: passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President - yet an Executive Order can be used to change the terms of said enacted law? (I keep waiting for Congress to regain consciousness and realize that Obama lowered their Constitutional value much closer to zero with that EO, but I'm not holding my breath).<br /><br />I, too, think you're wrong. Obama's media has a whole year to tar Republicans, who are feckless enough to stand there and take it. <br /><br />What we need is an army of conservatives and constitutionalists in Washington. What we have instead is Republicans. We're doomed. Get used to it. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-37852348784543379042013-11-06T22:49:59.912-05:002013-11-06T22:49:59.912-05:00Chickenmom, IANAL but I really don't see how t...Chickenmom, IANAL but I really don't see how this is the sort of thing that can be done via Executive Order.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-51912481664835059412013-11-06T21:56:56.600-05:002013-11-06T21:56:56.600-05:00Don't forget about amnesty. He has a full year...Don't forget about amnesty. He has a full year to execute an executive order granting illegals citizenship.<br />That's millions upon millions of new Democrats in the voting pool.Chickenmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02978826295959619815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-4229418196682420772013-11-06T18:45:04.135-05:002013-11-06T18:45:04.135-05:00I am going with the thought that this post is goin...I am going with the thought that this post is going to be proven very wrong.<br /><br />The biggest reason is that the MSM will still be able to cover for this ineptitude, and the fact checking will of course blame the .gov shutdown(s) and the Republicans for not helping to fix the problems Obamacare has. <br /><br />For example, Yes you see everyone, we passed this law and it was a good law but we had to make adjustments because of the deals we had to cut simply because the Republicans would not vote for this outright and convinced some of our side to not vote unless the original bill was altered (see the kick backs and special provisions.) <br />Then we identified the problems that we did not know where there and the Republicans would not help us fix them! <br /><br />And while some folks will be hopping mad, the MSM and the Democrats will trot out the usual sorts, the percentages of people that were either not able to be insured due to some horrible disease and those people will say with out this bill we would have died! If you take this away from us and others like us you are guilty of wanting us dead!<br /><br />They will also employ the same tactics they have already in this recession, See fuel prices. They know most Americans will grumble but they won't throw anyone out of office for it, they will just tighten their belts more to the costs and absorb them. <br /><br />And this will be possible because there is next to 0 faith in the Republican establishment to even make a serious attempt to end this entire bill. They see the Mccains, the Mittens, the Grahms out there that they don't see as any different than the Democrats. <br />Even if they made the overtures to scrap this bill you will see such obstructionism that it will be impossible to actually undo. <br />As a result people will see zero help from the Republicans and will not be willing to vote for them. <br /><br />Don't get me wrong Borepatch, I hope that this prediction is right but I simply will point to two states in the last election that the Republicans came from.<br />Massachusetts and Wisconsin.<br /><br />Obama won both, when your candidate cant even pull the election most notably in Wisconsin where its been leaning Republican of late (See the election of Gov Walker and his subsequent recall election.) that signifies some serious problems. <br />And you can see the cycle repeated by the Republicans now, with the MSN and the Establishment giving the fat whore Chris Christie the nod to charge the cannons for whatever contender awaits. <br />2016 will be to far off for this to current situation to be remembered, and the affects will not hit hard enough soon enough for it to do anything in 2014.<br />You think the Democrats will not push out some more orders or delays so the full force of the pain is felt too soon before the elections?<br /><br />Hell, the Republicans are even on board with delaying the individual mandates or any other parts of it when they could just sit back, say you won the elections remember? This is your baby 100%.<br /><br />They can't even do that.Jesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17973419641321027031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-72048027522282946982013-11-06T17:17:30.148-05:002013-11-06T17:17:30.148-05:00I hope you are right, for various reasons - none o...I hope you are right, for various reasons - none of which are that I'm a big fan of most Republican politicans - but I am not optimistic about it.<br /><br />As Carteach said, too many voters vote for their party's guy no matter what (short of some scandal larger than the ACA, Benghazi, IRS, etc..). The only folks likely to sway are the "independents" and many of them are voting more and more for third party candidates - which mostly take away votes from Republicans.<br /><br />My prediction? In 2014 the House will stay R, the Senate will stay D (although be precariously close to swinging R) and things will die down enough by 2016 that the White House will welcome another D.<br /><br />And the sad part of the whole thing? With most of the front-running candidates for federal offices, we lose either way. I has a sad.Matt Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17100543194533034378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-42027528661379986802013-11-06T16:50:11.613-05:002013-11-06T16:50:11.613-05:00I wish I could share your optimism, mate, but 2012...I wish I could share your optimism, mate, but 2012 was supposed to be a bloodbath for them as well. At this point, I'm afraid that several decades of government indoctrination substituting for education have created too many that are simply unwilling to entertain the idea of the Dems being capable of any wrongdoing.<br /><br />My prediction: they will blame it on the Tea Party in general ("If not for the shutdown..."), if not Ted Cruz in particular. The lie will be astoundingly, blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention, but the dumbasses that put the current regime in power in the first place will swallow it and spread it, far and wide.<br /><br />And 2016? I despair to find that I am with Donald Sensing: "<a href="http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-law-does-not-matter-to-obama.html" rel="nofollow"><i>there is never going to be another Republican president</i>. Ever.</a>"<br /><br />Sorry to be a party pooper. I hope to the heavens that I'm wrong.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04984513515777297544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-77771387614906219422013-11-06T16:16:06.483-05:002013-11-06T16:16:06.483-05:00My concern is that if the Democrats do implode, wh...My concern is that if the Democrats do implode, who takes their place? I don't have any faith left for the Republican party, and I'm not content enough with the current landscape to hope for an impotent government that'll leave things unchanged.<br />Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813274491601970838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-66168473314994636472013-11-06T16:00:13.563-05:002013-11-06T16:00:13.563-05:00I suspect the Democrats will do fine in the upcomi...I suspect the Democrats will do fine in the upcoming elections.<br /><br />Trained barking seals seldom turn on their trainers, as long as there is even the smell of a dead fish around.Carteachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468700184940877315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-19500941699216818602013-11-06T15:23:09.581-05:002013-11-06T15:23:09.581-05:00Question is, just like 2010/2012, will unhappiness...Question is, just like 2010/2012, will unhappiness in the Democrats evaporate by the presidential election in 2016?Overload in Coloradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277277751144486368noreply@blogger.com