tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post4861785417135707939..comments2024-03-28T16:31:54.494-04:00Comments on Borepatch: Nordstrom's snoops on where you go in their storesBorepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-75129160853524843732013-05-15T09:40:39.891-04:002013-05-15T09:40:39.891-04:00Goober:
So, by you, an individual surrenders all ...Goober:<br /><br />So, by you, an individual surrenders all rights once he steps onto the property of another individual? Life. Liberty. Self-defense? Really? After all, that is the reductio ad absurdam of your contention. <br /><br />MMark Philip Algerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09595406476619940294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-9923742845637250952013-05-15T09:23:39.632-04:002013-05-15T09:23:39.632-04:00Goober: "Private companies doing stuff on the...Goober: "Private companies doing stuff on their own property all have one thing in common: if I don't like what they are doing, I can choose not to go there and do business with them."<br /><br />I reject this "property owner is an absolute monarch on his property theory" as absolute hogwash. This theory would hold that a property owner is free to rape any woman who enters his property. After all, if she didn't like being raped, she shouldn't enter his property.<br /><br />Why is this? Because a property owner that opens his business and property to the public invites that public to enter his property with their rights intact. <br /><br />What results is a meeting in the middle of the two sets of rights, with neither side having an absolute set of rights. Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-49676038844004023502013-05-14T12:16:17.235-04:002013-05-14T12:16:17.235-04:00Two things: one, privacy isn't really violated...Two things: one, privacy isn't really violated here: all they are doing is keeping track of where you are by noting which Wi-Fi points your phone is trying to connect to; you can always turn off the radio. Second, they announced they have already stopped doing it.Rick Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992428161064901136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-31904497426557124842013-05-14T11:36:57.776-04:002013-05-14T11:36:57.776-04:00Mark, again, I reiterate - if you don't like i...Mark, again, I reiterate - if you don't like it, don't go. <br /><br />Is it private property or isn't it? Gooberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358115439453465833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-66053505585282202452013-05-14T09:28:14.124-04:002013-05-14T09:28:14.124-04:00Sorry. Must respectfully disagree. If privacy is t...Sorry. Must respectfully disagree. If privacy is to have any meaning or value, it must be absolute. You may have limited expectations of privacy in anothers's home, perhaps, but a department store is a public accommodation and must hew to the same rules as the state. Lunch Counter Civil Rights stuff requires that.<br /><br />(Hey, if you can breach a business owner's First Amendment rights (free association/assembly) in the service of one, you kinda have to in the other.)<br /><br />I go farther an argue that Terms of Service "agreements" cannot trump Fourth Amendment rights to privacy. What? Not government? Where in the amendment does it say "the state"? Hmm? Why DON'T you own the information ABOUT you? Isn't that a part of your rights of self-ownership? If you own it, how can the state or a business steal it from you for its own purposes? Hmm?<br /><br />MMark Philip Algerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09595406476619940294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-1547857714816083142013-05-14T07:53:20.402-04:002013-05-14T07:53:20.402-04:00Nordstrom is customarily the poster child for cust...Nordstrom is customarily the poster child for customer service. If they're sensible, they'll implement informed consent (opt-in) and offer a customer incentive for participation. If one's stock in trade is customer relationships, there's a right way to play this.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-56702444278631301772013-05-13T18:03:04.400-04:002013-05-13T18:03:04.400-04:00Meh. Color me whatever color "I don't car...Meh. Color me whatever color "I don't care" is. Private companies doing stuff on their own property all have one thing in common: if I don't like what they are doing, I can choose not to go there and do business with them.<br /><br />Its the government doing this sort of stuff that bothers me because with them, I don't have that choice. They have that whole monopoly on force and coercion thing going for them. Gooberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07358115439453465833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-78575066808383821332013-05-13T17:24:47.481-04:002013-05-13T17:24:47.481-04:00Privacy concerns when you are on another person...Privacy concerns when you are on another person's property, I don't see them except when you are in the restrooms or in the fitting rooms or talking about something on your person (and that does not mean the whereabouts of your person). What expectation of privacy could you have in a department store other than that?Glenn Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16677859688487279914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-34418073331042105602013-05-13T15:21:50.263-04:002013-05-13T15:21:50.263-04:00No one reads terms of service anyway.No one reads terms of service anyway.TheAxehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04328271483659507053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-35490607604028549602013-05-13T15:13:25.573-04:002013-05-13T15:13:25.573-04:00I'd like to think they at least notify visitor...I'd like to think they at least notify visitors of the data-taking somehow. Like making them click a checkbox agreeing to the Terms of Service printed on the front door before allowing them in.<br />Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04813274491601970838noreply@blogger.com