tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post4680052584938782362..comments2024-03-28T16:31:54.494-04:00Comments on Borepatch: I am not in your TribeBorepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-84752145574958027192013-11-08T14:31:47.272-05:002013-11-08T14:31:47.272-05:00Yeah, it was de jevu, all over again. I figured Bu...Yeah, it was de jevu, all over again. I figured Butterfingers (aka Mitt) was another Bob Dole in the making; and he lived up to my low expectations. <br />I'm not bitter, I am merely disillusioned: or is that the same thing? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-56935451146111694672012-11-09T00:15:40.318-05:002012-11-09T00:15:40.318-05:00May I invite you to cast your eye southwards here ...May I invite you to cast your eye southwards here to Florida, and considerate upon some data points.<br /><br />1) Many people stood in line for up to 7 hours during early voting, and almost all of them were Obama voters. How many Romney voters would do that? I think Democratic GOTV beat Republican GOTV here, just like it did in 2008 (and like Republican GOTV beat Democrat GOTV in 2004).<br /><br />2)This being Florida, they are apparently <i> still </i> counting votes. But the margin between Romney and Obama will apparently be less than 1%, and it's quite possible the margin will be less than the total number of votes cast for the Libertarian and Constitution Parties. (I voted for Johnson.)<br /><br /><br />3)The GOP dominated state legislature put up a series of amendments to the state Constitution on the ballot. There was a group of amendments that made new or increased old property tax exemptions for seniors, veterans, "first responders", etc.--all nice and feel goody and all guaranteed to screw up the tax code even more than it is now. I think all of those passed. There was another group of amendments that would have implemented some pet ideas of the GOP agendists: lower the tangible tax, restrrict abortions and delete the right of privacy (the state Constitution is more explicit than the federal one on that), allow state funding of religious schools and organizations (now explicitly prohibited by the State Constution), allow the legislature to interfere rather radically with the state court system. None of these got to the 60 percent supermajority required to pass an amendment; almost all of them failed to get even a simple majority. To make sense of the figures, you have to assume that 10 percent of the people who voted for Romney don't like the Republican agenda.<br /><br />Like you I used to be a Democrat, but being born in Bostom to a family that worshipped the Kennedys, it took me a lot longer to give up on the Democratic Party, and what sparked me was the anti-Semitism I began to encounter among the Left. But I still can't stand the GOP on social issues, foreign policy, and immigration. I've voted LP in the last three presidential cycles, and don't see any reason to think I won't do so again in 2016, <br /><br />KishneviAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-60776551720880041752012-11-08T18:06:00.442-05:002012-11-08T18:06:00.442-05:00Borepatch,
I agree with you in a large way the pa...Borepatch, <br />I agree with you in a large way the party has left us, hence the rise of the Tea Party. If this was the old school R party they would have never allowed any of the things to happen that so angered the tea party. <br /><br />And yes this should have been a slam dunk year, but as I mentioned here yesterday to your post, people were energized to beat Obama only to some degree. Some people liked the path the coutnry is on and do not see things as being bad enough yet to change horses. Instead of showing how his plan was different from Obama's and attacking Obama's failures he did nothing. People want an aggressive leader. <br />Oh really, you are gonna take out Obamacare? You can't even attack it in the election!<br /><br />I also still think the size of the Democrat base is much, much larger than we think. They -all- came out of the woodwork. Republicans got cocky and did not close the deal. Jesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17973419641321027031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-74109118723059425302012-11-08T17:38:00.858-05:002012-11-08T17:38:00.858-05:00Palin 2016. Palin 2016. Sixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572583408046642437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-73145747585652695782012-11-08T17:37:02.860-05:002012-11-08T17:37:02.860-05:00This happened in Canada as the Liberals embraced P...This happened in Canada as the Liberals embraced PET (may he rot in hell).<br /><br />The socialist embraced every policy of the real commie party of Canada ... the NDP and added a huge dose of big government and nurse nanny stateism. The Conservaative party fractured between those who thought they could maintain the status quo and those who understood that it was most important to defend traditional conservative values. As things progressed the old "Progressive" conservatives ended up moving more to the left in a vain effort to appear more mike the former LIberals (who had gone so far left that they became completely socialist)in hold ing the middle ground of political ideology. The problem for those losers (Prog Cons) was that the left had moved so far that the vacuum sucked the PCs way past the true center. <br /><br />What evolved on the true conservative front was a series of alternative paries. The Reform party found its roots in the western provinces an successfully developed a base strong enough to force the remaining old PCs into joining forces. The result was the Alliance party holding enough seats in government to become the defacto opposition and in the process expand the base accross the fracturing LIberal landscape of the easter regions.<br /><br />There was also a fracturing of the contentious left wing political groups mostly because of the fact that they are composed of a bunch of single issue ideologues and nutcases but that's a whole other story.<br /><br />The bottom line is that one path to repairing the conservative political movement is to make a deliberate break from the root of the problem which is the power brokers of the establishment who will not take that principled conservative stand. By doing that conservative voters will have a clear choice and will eventually abandon the unprincipled RINOs and CINOs leaving them without the base they need to survive.<br /><br />Dig in friend ... it could take decades.OMMAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05475151103850378778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-51565101916101706672012-11-08T16:24:55.371-05:002012-11-08T16:24:55.371-05:00Romney purposely ducked issues like Bengahzi, the ...Romney purposely ducked issues like Bengahzi, the 22 dead SEALS, open borders, incredible carnage along our southern border, the birth certificate, the fraudulent SSN of Obama, holding Holder accountable, the muslim brotherhood in the Whitehouse and the list of hits goes on and on....<br /><br />DougAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-46696336902408508762012-11-08T16:14:29.027-05:002012-11-08T16:14:29.027-05:00Oops, pushed publish accidently. I should have add...Oops, pushed publish accidently. I should have added immigration to that mix of emotional issues above.<br /><br />Although conservatives don't vote on those issues, the liberals very much do, and when a Republican candidate says something stupid on those issues, the liberal media and politicians jump it and use it like burning brand against all Republicans.<br /><br />The Republican party as presently constituted is dead as a political force. They either re-invent the party and embrace Hispanics, (who very much have conservative ideas as regards to work, taxes, etc.) or the party is nothing but a shell. <br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-90396711028668587632012-11-08T16:12:29.858-05:002012-11-08T16:12:29.858-05:00Good to know it's not just me, Borepatch. I am...Good to know it's not just me, Borepatch. I am seriously considering changing my party affiliation. Don't know whether I'll be a Libertarian or a straight Independent, but I know this: I can no longer in good conscience remain a Republican. Because like you said, the Party has left us.Raptorhttp://raptorsnest.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-35868613175684025602012-11-08T16:10:20.061-05:002012-11-08T16:10:20.061-05:00The Republicans haven't figured it out, but co...The Republicans haven't figured it out, but conservatives don't really vote on emotional hot button issues, like Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc. Those issues MAY be important to some conservatives, but they aren't the issues that get us out to vote. <br /><br />We vote on issues that make sense, like economic policy, foreign policy, etc. <br /><br />Mitt failed to inspire enough people in regards to those issues, and did not target the "are you better off now than you were four years ago?" mentality that was required. <br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-73186195333267903412012-11-08T15:58:50.228-05:002012-11-08T15:58:50.228-05:00You're not alone.
At least I feel I'm in w...You're not alone.<br />At least I feel I'm in with good company....drjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647484115197408897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-40042836396253859512012-11-08T15:05:03.808-05:002012-11-08T15:05:03.808-05:00Borepatch,
Thanks for addressing my question.
Ju...Borepatch,<br /><br />Thanks for addressing my question.<br /><br />Just a note: there's a BIG misconception that Romney got fewer votes than McCain. The opposite is actually true: the Romney totals you see are from 11pm election night, when the counting stopped.<br /><br />Final votes are still being counted; the record turnouts across the country indicate that the ho-hum turnout of McCain will be easily surpassed. Indeed, when all final votes are tabulated (I believe just before or just after Thanksgiving in time for the electoral college vote), Romney votes will greatly surpass McCain's total.<br /><br />Of course, votes are also coming in for Obama; as a result, Obama will still win, but look to see both Obama and Romney totals exceed the current amount by quite a bit.The Czar of Muscovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002679456122392387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-59150621646536059972012-11-08T14:57:15.752-05:002012-11-08T14:57:15.752-05:00I voted for McCain because of Palin.
I didn't...I voted for McCain because of Palin.<br /><br />I didn't vote for any candidate for president at all this time. I wonder how many others thought like me? I wonder if GOP will notice?New Jovian Thunderbolthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09452246769246304612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-76517243921010529052012-11-08T14:49:20.486-05:002012-11-08T14:49:20.486-05:00So, now, I ask, "Where is the Tea Party?"...So, now, I ask, "Where <i>is</i> the Tea Party?"bluesunhttp://deadmandance.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-41585573848120266942012-11-08T14:43:47.811-05:002012-11-08T14:43:47.811-05:00That's as good a summary as anything I've ...That's as good a summary as anything I've seen. Well done, sir.Rev. Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588179227576383679noreply@blogger.com