tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post3450479291999727438..comments2024-03-28T04:52:18.318-04:00Comments on Borepatch: Our miserable political class ...Borepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-201871623816272282011-07-15T11:28:35.199-04:002011-07-15T11:28:35.199-04:00You need the Democrats on board to get entitlement...<i>You need the Democrats on board to get entitlement reform, and tax increases are going to be their cost to go along.</i><br /><br />I see what you're getting at, but the biggest problem I see with that combination is that raising taxes, especially with the economy in its current condition, is very likely to cause even more damage to the economy, and as a result actually <i>decrease</i> tax revenue.<br /><br />I'm very much afraid that, barring a complete upheaval of the current political situation, we have passed the true "point of no return".Jake (formerly Riposte3)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02976718318892210404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-23515096215726513792011-07-14T19:36:41.685-04:002011-07-14T19:36:41.685-04:00Just bear in mind that tax rates and tax revenues ...Just bear in mind that tax <b>rates</b> and tax <b>revenues</b> are two very different things and I'm with you. <br /><br />The fact that lowering rates increases revenues has been demonstrated so many times it really has the character of social science lawSiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-74549810014661280052011-07-14T16:32:50.470-04:002011-07-14T16:32:50.470-04:00I don't like new taxes any more than anyone. ...I don't like new taxes any more than anyone. But I don't see anthing working with all of this:<br /><br />1. Entitlement reform<br />2. New taxes<br />3. Cuts in government headcount<br /><br />Nothing but this combination will bring together a coalition to actually address the Trillion dollar a year deficit. <br /><br />You need the Democrats on board to get entitlement reform, and tax increases are going to be their cost to go along. You need the Tea Party on board, and headcount cuts will be the (perhaps symbolic) cost there.<br /><br />Nobody has a plan that works that doesn't include this. The Deficit Commission says so, Paul Ryan says so.<br /><br />Err, I say so, but so what?<br /><br />What we DON'T have is a political class that's worth a damn.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-81928127882689703192011-07-14T12:59:35.798-04:002011-07-14T12:59:35.798-04:00Shouldn't that be "VOTE THEM OUT - ALL OF...Shouldn't that be "VOTE THEM OUT - ALL OF THEM - EXCEPT PAUL RYAN"?Lissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17970856329586708087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-34858569838985642342011-07-14T12:00:51.149-04:002011-07-14T12:00:51.149-04:00Strike the "raising some taxes" from the...Strike the "raising some taxes" from the calculus and insert "increase tax revenue" and I'll agree completely. There's other (and better) ways to increase the money in the pot other than increasing taxes directly on anyone.<br /><br />I'm sick of all of them too. The fact that the Republicans haven't caved already is a promising sign, but I've fallen for the banana in the tailpipe too often before - so I'm reserving judgement and future support until it all plays out.Paladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516484024226270103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-34908444145546397162011-07-14T11:56:36.569-04:002011-07-14T11:56:36.569-04:00Personally, I'm just about to the point of, &q...Personally, I'm just about to the point of, "F*** it, let it all burn". <br /><br />I know, people will bring up all the hardship this will cause but the way things are going it's going to happen anyway and I'm tired of seeing one group or another weasel some advantage out of it.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-50627943922216920412011-07-14T10:17:04.135-04:002011-07-14T10:17:04.135-04:00I have to agree with you and the whole damn thing ...I have to agree with you and the whole damn thing is painful and upsetting.<br />Plus I get to suffer through this dumbassed shutdown we have in Minnesota, wrought on us by our spoilt rich boy playing governor(and doing badly) Markie Dayton whom did not get the DFL endorsement, forced a run off and bought the unions vote.<br />Now we suffer because his puppet masters, said unions, want want want, the taxpayer to pay.<br />And the GOP Majority is presented a balanced budget, the biggest one ever with a 6 to 12 % increase and no new taxes. Not good enough for the unions and our Guv'nor. Who wants to "Tax the rich" heard that one before!!<br />So much suckage in politics today.<br /><br />Am headed to the BWCA with eldest for his post graduation trip.<br />If the whole family was going would be tempted to load the arsenal and everything else we needed and go really back into the woods and say "EFF U Guv"mint!!"<br /><br />Rant over, sorry...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-35479185203909459322011-07-14T07:35:54.537-04:002011-07-14T07:35:54.537-04:00Frankly, the Dems had 2.5 years to raise taxes if ...Frankly, the Dems had 2.5 years to raise taxes if they wished to, and the GOP could not have prevented it. Instead, they maxed out the nation's credit card, and now want to force the GOP to accept the blame for raising taxes (or revenues, as they refer to them). Right now they say it's the responsible thing to do; they said the same when George H.W. Bush raised taxes despite his "read my lips, no new taxes" pledge, and made him suffer for it. The Dems know that the current crop of GOP congressmen/senators were elected with the proviso of holding the line on taxes, and they want to force them to renege for political purposes.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11402651457453813639noreply@blogger.com