tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post3420155677798117437..comments2024-03-28T16:31:54.494-04:00Comments on Borepatch: In Soviet Russia, future climate is known. Is past climate that always changes.Borepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-38214959236314943382012-06-25T21:45:49.978-04:002012-06-25T21:45:49.978-04:00Alien, mostly the raw data is available (thank goo...Alien, mostly the raw data is available (thank goodness). What's new is that people are comparing data pre- and post-adjustment, and finding the adjusted data wanting.<br /><br />Well, I am, anyway.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-61254791588579599532012-06-25T21:31:31.066-04:002012-06-25T21:31:31.066-04:00At what point in the data massaging process can on...At what point in the data massaging process can one say enough has been changed enough that there's no reliable way to determine what it actually was in the original, and the only thing left to do is throw it all out and start over? <br /><br />And, has the climate data debacle reached that point?Aliennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-23049343010604016132012-06-25T19:28:09.806-04:002012-06-25T19:28:09.806-04:00@Graybeard: word.@Graybeard: word.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-55203264160118119502012-06-25T18:39:13.676-04:002012-06-25T18:39:13.676-04:00And while the Soviet data is not your main emphasi...And while the Soviet data is not your main emphasis, but illustrative of your point on GHCN, the same thing is going on with data in China today. Don't believe everything you hear about them being an economic juggernaut. <br /><br />There are serious problems over there caused by the same forces that caused the problem in the politburo.SiGraybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280583031339062059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-36299899556960910932012-06-25T17:45:03.294-04:002012-06-25T17:45:03.294-04:00ProudHilbilly, this is precisely why my BS meter w...ProudHilbilly, this is precisely why my BS meter went off, several years ago, I was decently versed by paleo reconstructions covering the Holocene, and this didn't seem out of whack.<br /><br />But even by their own definition - that the last 100 years is unusual, it only appears so after the data are massaged.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-51422160625291527542012-06-25T17:35:20.646-04:002012-06-25T17:35:20.646-04:00And the other thing is that the record is only ~10...And the other thing is that the record is only ~100 years old. Seems old to us, but in comparison to the age of the earth, it's less than a blink, and a very teeny, tiny data set.ProudHillbillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14305205710265854978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-23926393133949750512012-06-25T17:03:34.546-04:002012-06-25T17:03:34.546-04:00Concur- And the real climatologists I talk to say ...Concur- And the real climatologists I talk to say much the same thing...Old NFOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16404197287935017147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-84946106605996225412012-06-25T16:47:24.132-04:002012-06-25T16:47:24.132-04:00Andy, the academics' record on the Soviet Unio...Andy, the academics' record on the Soviet Union's impending demise was wretched - especially for the opinion of the "experts" (Political Scientists):<br /><br />http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/24/poor-prognostication/<br /><br />That said, the last two words in the CIA's name are "Intelligence" and "Agency".<br /><br />;-)Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-83519940017330558912012-06-25T15:46:44.514-04:002012-06-25T15:46:44.514-04:00Quit picking on the CIA. There were apparently a g...Quit picking on the CIA. There were apparently a good many American academics of the Soviet system who also did not predict, in spectacular fashion, the Soviet collapse. Imagine that. Academics getting it wrong. Why, that's almost unheard of!Broken Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01562569871940946226noreply@blogger.com