tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post319047483953485399..comments2024-03-18T21:49:42.814-04:00Comments on Borepatch: See a shrink, lose your rights?Borepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-51555857792126309722011-01-31T00:50:15.732-05:002011-01-31T00:50:15.732-05:00Things like this are so frustrating.
For one, few...Things like this are so frustrating.<br /><br />For one, fewer people will be willing to seek treatment lest they lose their gun rights.<br /><br />Second, it only increases the stigma of mental illness. More often than not, people with some sort of personality disorder aren't dangerous to <i>anyone</i>, and have little risk of becoming so, but "ZOMG ban crazzies from having GUNS" is going to give the opposite impression to the layman.<br /><br />Of course, it's not helped by the fact that most in the Psych field seem to be flaming freaking liberals. A bleeding heart is a good thing in that field. The false belief that gun ownership increases suicide rates (and, therefore, restrictions on them leads to a <i>decrease</i>) is not.Sabrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13746486966764162127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-47991549686381255562011-01-31T00:26:30.000-05:002011-01-31T00:26:30.000-05:00The PTSD thing is all the rage with the VA right n...The PTSD thing is all the rage with the VA right now. They try to get all combat vets stamped with it, and even others that hadn't even deployed. I had a friend complain about not being able to sleep due to back injury. The VA tried to convince him it was PTSD/Depression and tried to talk him into taking crap like Paxil.<br /><br />If you need help, get it. If you don't need help, do NOT let them stamp your medical records with PTSD. You'll regret it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-80629233125943244282011-01-30T23:17:27.909-05:002011-01-30T23:17:27.909-05:00In Florida, the 72 hour mental health evaluation i...In Florida, the 72 hour mental health evaluation is called a Baker Act. However, that is not the same thing as the Federal Law for making one a prohibited person.<br /><br />The Federal Law law making you a prohibited person requires that you be ADJUDICATED as a mental defective or committed to a mental facility. This does not include being involuntarily taken in for observation. <br /><br />According to the Supreme Court, under the 14th amendment, you cannot be committed without due process and a hearing. See Addington V Texas and Oconnor v. Donaldson.Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-49836114572723146672011-01-30T18:53:23.772-05:002011-01-30T18:53:23.772-05:00In Washington State once you have been ITA'd y...In Washington State once you have been ITA'd you are on a tracking system FOR LIFE. I agree with Stephany, the fact that my son has forever lost his Gun Rights without committing a crime, etc. the fact that he doesn't know did not know that those he asked to help him in crisis, "mental health professionals" committed perjury and forgery and a prosecutor know he was presenting at the VERY least, questionable testimony. My son's attorney's voice is the only one heard before the order is granted. The hearing took a total of 1 minute and 26 seconds...for a man to lose his gun rights for life and be court ordered to take drugs that have already caused him serious damage. It gets worse.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04985667747299418582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-83478819208374628542011-01-30T18:39:10.458-05:002011-01-30T18:39:10.458-05:00I've probably done several hundred 72 hour inv...I've probably done several hundred 72 hour involuntary committals(and refused many, many more). Most of them were in fact for suicide attempts. The remainder were primarily gravely disabled persons. Your point is well made and needs to be highlighted. Such folks need to see a qualified physician. They may or may not need forther psychiatric evaluation and/or treatment. The point is I may be qualified to make a street decision on whether or not a 72 hour psych evaluation is justified but I am not qualified to make a long term diagnosis. That's for a medical professional and down the line a judge or grand jury. No action beyond the initital evaluation should be riding on my decision and to use such as a basis for ANYTHING else is ludicrous.Sixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572583408046642437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-66502586171455588342011-01-30T17:05:00.461-05:002011-01-30T17:05:00.461-05:00Does this mean that elected officials won't be...Does this mean that elected officials won't be able to serve under similar circumstances? After all, they wield the biggest guns of all, the police and military.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-74173250664081458472011-01-30T12:47:48.279-05:002011-01-30T12:47:48.279-05:00In Illinois, voluntary or by court order, any in-p...In Illinois, voluntary or by court order, any in-patient mental health treatment (alcohol rehab, for example) will trip the system alarm and the Illinois State Police will come calling for your FOID card and your guns.Z@Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06993343918438930816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-79634777561312953552011-01-30T11:56:41.634-05:002011-01-30T11:56:41.634-05:00Another tidbit of info: in WA state (and maybe oth...Another tidbit of info: in WA state (and maybe others)if you are ITA (Involuntary Commitment Act)you LOSE rights to guns and your permit, immediately. No matter WHAT got you (or who)ITA'd you. Only way to get the firearm right back is to go before a judge and we know how that would work.<br /><br />Ppl can be ITA by others not in their family. This happened to my daughter for being a silent, autistic kid in the wrong treatment system. She doesn't understand or probably care if she lost rights to firearm possession, but to <i>lose the right, for that reason</i> is a greater loss: <i>the beginning of many civil liberties lost to mental health patients</i> once in the system.<br /><br />Watch, next it WILL be driver's licenses....discrimination has not ever left the MI area--it in fact is thriving, and that goes for the inside of the hospitals and care facilities too.<br /><br />Hope all is well with you there, Borepatch.soulful sepulcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12271584927611299868noreply@blogger.com