tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post1170322685144308706..comments2024-03-28T16:31:54.494-04:00Comments on Borepatch: The shutdown is not about protecting people's healthBorepatchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-10569718012654390172020-05-22T16:45:33.205-04:002020-05-22T16:45:33.205-04:00Please put the writer under Ron Kaura. I am the wr...Please put the writer under Ron Kaura. I am the writer. I own the blog company http://USLiveToday.com and I am the original owner of this Document of "Its not about your health". It is plagiarizing if you do not have my name on it.Ron Kaurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11333133806609494114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-27272375612545524352020-05-01T06:51:01.471-04:002020-05-01T06:51:01.471-04:00According to the histories, this season's flu+...According to the histories, this season's flu+covid death rates don't quite add up to <b>either</b> of the flu seasons from 1998-1999 or 1999-2000. We didn't shut down the country and burn the Constitution then. Heck, it was barely reported on at all.<br /><br />Aesop is right. This isn't <i>the flu</i>. It's a killer cold.<br /><br />https://wmbriggs.com/post/30606/McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-78807512596061496812020-04-26T22:08:26.684-04:002020-04-26T22:08:26.684-04:00I have already addressed the Navy ship being empty...I have already addressed the Navy ship being empty, both here and in my own blog. Dude, you are going to believe this is all a conspiracy because that is what you want to believe. Good luck to you, but frankly, this conversation has begun to bore me. I'm out. Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-695164461719518792020-04-26T19:03:28.487-04:002020-04-26T19:03:28.487-04:00(cont.)
I've laid out ideas for opening.
The p...(cont.)<br />I've laid out ideas for opening.<br />The president has laid out phases.<br />Both of those rely on testing, which we <i>still</i> don't have, and it's practically May, when this started the end of January.<br />At some point, it's time to start arresting and prosecuting people at CDC for criminal negligence, <i>pour encourager les autres</i>. Let them take their chances in federal court, with a jury of their pissed-off peers.<br />And as sure as God made little green apples, states saying "to hell with it" and treating this like it's imaginary, and following the NYFS "just live your lives and ignore this virus" plan, will get us 49 more states with NYFS casualty numbers. Just slower, and over a longer time frame.<br /><br />We're not doing anything magic in the hospitals.<br />If people would use PPE properly, they could be at work just like hospital staff are. COVID doesn't crawl up the driveway at night and gang-rape anyone in their sleep. Wash your hands, wear a mask, wear your gloves and change them, <i>and you'll never get the damned thing</i>.<br /><br />But schoolkids can't do that, and 10% of adults aren't bright enough to do it either. So I'm pretty sure the overall plan is just to kill as many people as possible, slowly, and leave the rest of us hungry, broke, and utterly dependent upon TPTB for everything, including work and food. And it's already dawned on the industrious evil ones, this is just the way to pull that off.<br /><br />Like the gold heist amidst WWII in <i>Kelly's Heroes</i>, "it's the perfect crime."<br /><br />A non-zero number of TPTB aren't letting a good crisis go to waste.<br />And idiots on our side are making it easier for them. Like both sides do.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-63748470449504300082020-04-26T19:03:15.798-04:002020-04-26T19:03:15.798-04:001) The purpose of the hospital ship was to treat n...1) The purpose of the hospital ship was to treat <i>non</i>-Kung Flu patients, not COVID-19 patients. (I also pointed out this was impossible, and going to bite the Navy in the ass. 2 for 2.).<br />2) Anyone who keeps throwing out the word "co-morbidities" should probably look it up. As Inigo Montoya pointed out, "I do not think it means what you think it means."<br />https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/04/co-morbidity.html<br />Anyone who thinks it means "alternate cause of death" should beat themselves over the head with a broomhandle until they get it right.<br />3) There is no "private data" and "government" data.<br />There is actual data also called reality; and there is crap.<br />All of the surveys pedaled so far are pure crap.<br />They're crap statistically, and they're crap medically.<br />And they're using crap tests.<br />This is why they draw crap conclusions.<br />4) The media, being unable to tell the difference between sh*t and Shineola, parrots all of them until someone finally pulls them aside, and clues them in. Then they act as if they knew they were touting b.s. all along.<br />5) Yes, Borepatch, the idea was to spare the health care system from total collapse. it was also to slow things down, so we could get testing fixed. Unfortunately, we left government in charge of that, with predictable results.<br />So we still can't tell who's had it, because we don't know it the antibody tests are testing for SARS-CoV-19, or any coronavirus, including a cold.<br />We don't know it having antibodies, or even the full infection, confers and immunity going forward.<br />We have no wild idea how far and wide this has penetrated.<br />We have a rough (not precise) idea of how many have died, because some deaths are overcounted, and some are undercounted. But we' know they're all dead, so it's the least effed up metric available.<br />We also know that even if we assumed the best about the worst surveys every inflicted upon the nation, that between 80-96% of America have no exposure to this virus, so we can plan on casualties from turning people loose unilaterally at 4x-25X the current number of dead, which is about 54K today. We're due to blow right by Doofus Fauci's low-end 60K dead by Wednesday or so, still in the first two months of this thing, and while flattened, the death rate of about 2K/day seems to be holding steady in perpetuity. And we have 49 states itching to compete with NYFS for casualty king.<br />And yet, if we keep people out of work, there won't be anyone employed with insurance to keep the health care system open either, which kills it just as well as overwhelming it.<br />(cont.)Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-81367109215614080692020-04-26T17:44:07.105-04:002020-04-26T17:44:07.105-04:00Divemedic,
With all due respect, there are also lo...Divemedic,<br />With all due respect, there are also lots of "stories" coming out of NYC where hospitals are empty. The hospital ship left NY because it wasn't needed, they only had 179 patients on board of which 20% tested positive for Covid-19.<br />I don't know how many "deaths" there were aboard.<br />There are so many conflicting reports out there it's hard to figure out what's going on, but as every day goes by this is looking more and more like a clown show. <br />Show me the numbers. It's impossible to do that, as all numbers touted by the .gov have been called into question. All we have is theory, and evolving data from non government sources. I'm leaning toward trusting private data over government data at this point.<br /><br />We'll see more with every day that goes by.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-58885824415602233102020-04-26T17:04:56.399-04:002020-04-26T17:04:56.399-04:00Borepatch: I fully agree with you that the time ha...Borepatch: I fully agree with you that the time has come to reopen the country. I just get bothered by people who come up with stupid conspiracy theories. Gun owners laugh at people who don't know the difference between a shoulder thing that goes up, a clip, or a machine gun. Well, many gun owners are now doing the same thing. <br /><br />Instead of inventing conspiracies, why not make the case that you made above, and say that we have successfully flattened the curve, and damaging the economy more than it already is, is counterproductive?Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-73525678071375470802020-04-26T16:28:02.567-04:002020-04-26T16:28:02.567-04:00Divemedic, I'm not a medical expert, but as I&...Divemedic, I'm not a medical expert, but as I've repeatedly said the deal was to shutdown the country to keep the medical system from getting overloaded and collapsing. Even in New York City, the Javits Center pop-up hospital is empty and the hospital ship left because there were no patients for them to treat.<br /><br />It doesn't take any medical training to recognize that we've accomplished what we set out to do and that it's time to re-open the economy. If the Powers That Be want a new deal then they should have to explain what the deal is and why it's needed.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-86839227937744683392020-04-26T15:05:10.840-04:002020-04-26T15:05:10.840-04:00Ned: This is why people who don't know what th...Ned: This is why people who don't know what they are talking about should just stay in their lane. We told doctors that about gun laws last year, and now every gun owner is running around bloviating on medicine and epidemiology. <br /><br />"Aren't coagulopathies extremely rare? That's haemophilia, right?"<br />Yes, they are. No, it isn't. What is happening here is that COVID patients are having blood clots. Blood clots cause heart attacks and strokes, especially in people who have already had one or at higher risk for having one. That is why heart attacks are being attributed to COVID. Yeah, the patient may have died of a heart attack SOMEDAY, but COVID made it happen early, sometimes years early.<br /><br />Similarly, diabetics oftern go into HHS or DKA due to COVID. <br /><br />It's like a car accident. You are in an accident. You are killed because your aorta was torn in half when you collided with the dashboard. You cause of death was exsanguination. The mechanism was an auto accident. <br /><br />So another patient dies and the patient's cause of death was cardiac arrest secondary to myocardial infarction caused by coagulopathy. The coagulopathy was initiated by COVID.<br /><br />There are often many factors that play into the COD on a patient. <br /><br />My son is working in NYC. I have never heard of the flu filling up a hospital with patients on ventilators. I have talked to my son, who is actually on the ground in NYC. He has told me stories of personally carrying bodies to the refrigerated trailer. <br /><br />Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-88573068398121605452020-04-26T13:25:07.055-04:002020-04-26T13:25:07.055-04:00Divemedic,
Aren't coagulopathies extremely ra...Divemedic,<br /><br />Aren't coagulopathies extremely rare? That's haemophilia, right? And does CV-19 affect haemophiliacs any different than H1N1? If it does, by what magnitude?<br />Does this change the bigger picture? If this data from New York is accurate, this is no more virulent than the regular flu.<br />The primary cause of death is NOT CV-19. They would not have died from CV-19 on it's own, but would have died from heart disease/heart attack/stroke or dozens of other co-morbidities on their own. Blaming CV-19 doesn't make sense, and contradicts the last many centuries of medical practice.<br /><br />Something doesn't add up here. We all have to admit that. This is not a normal response to this. We now have much more data than we did two months ago, which has changed the entire landscape. Anyone still clinging to their early March hypotheses are burying their head in the sand. Things have changed, the data has changed, and will continue to change.<br /><br />What about Sweden and Norway? None of the doomers seem to want to talk about that. Weird.<br /><br />The fear mongers will not listen to the new data coming out, and they've painted themselves into a corner with their dire predictions. They cannot admit they might have been wrong. My opinions on this pandemic have evolved over the course of the last few weeks because the data has been changing. Anyone that cannot seek truth is a fool.<br /><br /><br />Proverbs 26:1-18,20-2<br />"..There’s only one thing worse than a fool, and that’s the smug, conceited man always in love with his own opinions..." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-38639828072923579542020-04-26T13:20:00.403-04:002020-04-26T13:20:00.403-04:00Aesop, remember the rationale for the shutdown was...Aesop, remember the rationale for the shutdown was to protect the health care system. It's been protected to the point that a bunch of doctors and nurses are laid off and people are talking about hospitals going bankrupt. No doubt the government will "fix" this by nationalizing them ...<br /><br />As I've said before, the metric should not be deaths, it should be number of unused ICU beds. We should gradually reopen while monitoring this.<br /><br />The deal was that we would protect the health care system, not keep everyone from keeling over.Borepatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029434172945099693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-42534407357675123702020-04-26T12:53:05.298-04:002020-04-26T12:53:05.298-04:00Ned:
Were you aware that COVID causes coagulopathi...Ned:<br />Were you aware that COVID causes coagulopathies? Do you know why that is important to people with preexisting conditions like DVT, cardiac history, or history of stroke or diabetes?<br /><br />It also causes DKA and HHS in diabetics. <br /><br />COVID also causes people to be sitting up and talking while having an SaO2 of only 76. Can you explain why this is related to those same conditions?<br /><br />So when a person dies of a heart attack or stroke, and they are positive for COVID, can you explain how the two are NOT related?<br /><br />This doctor you are quoting is not a respiratory doctor, he is a radiologist. He reads Xrays or brains for a living. He knows as much about COVID as a proctologist would. Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-7615364525457477312020-04-26T12:39:07.581-04:002020-04-26T12:39:07.581-04:00Oh, look!
Another (real) Doctor with some real num...Oh, look!<br />Another (real) Doctor with some real numbers.<br /><br />https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/26/stanford-medical-center-neuroradiology-chief-gives-us-the-stats-tells-americans-to-go-back-to-work/<br /><br />Interesting numbers from NYC.<br />Quote:<br />“Death Rate:<br />Under 18 years old: zero and (0 per 100,000 in the population)<br />18 to 45 years old: 0.01 percent (11 per 100,000 in the population)<br />75 and over: 0.80 percent (death rate is 80 times that of 18 to 45 years old)<br /><br />Of all fatal cases in New York State:<br />Over 70 years of age: 2/3 of all deaths<br />Over 50 years of age: 95 percent<br /><br />Underlying illness: 90 percent<br /><br />Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date:<br />6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness.” <br />End quote.<br /><br />Underlying illness. Read that again. That all but proves the death number includes co-morbidities. They're counting cancer and other life ending conditions as cause of death, which has never been done in medicine before. Someone with cancer got the flu and died it was not the flu that killed him.<br /><br />Like I have been saying for about a week, more Doctors and medical professionals are starting to come out of the woodwork. Those that haven't yet are most likely worried about pissing off administration and losing their jobs, if they haven't already been furloughed because there isn't a real need for them right now.<br /><br />When the truth about this comes out, I hope the perpetrators of this Feardemic get a reckoning. They've ruined countless lives.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-1305537595002999262020-04-26T11:59:03.655-04:002020-04-26T11:59:03.655-04:00That's okay. 1,985 more of them died yesterday...That's okay. 1,985 more of them died yesterday too, so it's really only another 1,998,015 out of work.<br /><br />At this rate, the lines will cross by Labor Day, and everybody not dead by then will be unemployed.<br /><br />As far as I can tell, that was the whole point all along.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-41928875456109456862020-04-25T19:58:34.273-04:002020-04-25T19:58:34.273-04:00"Only 1900 more dead since yesterday.
It'..."Only 1900 more dead since yesterday.<br />It's just the flu."<br /><br />Only a million people lost their jobs yesterday.Rick Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992428161064901136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-39902615532939828932020-04-25T14:11:26.380-04:002020-04-25T14:11:26.380-04:00I am not saying it's the flu. In fact, I have ...I am not saying it's the flu. In fact, I have been arguing the opposite because I know better. However, you have to admit that the numbers are a mess, with various government agencies padding the numbers. All of the data we have at this point is garbage because it has been manipulated. <br /><br />Orange county, Florida recently admitted that they are not tracking hospital discharges or COVID recoveries. All they are tracking is admissions, test results, and deaths. Even then, NY is also adding deaths that were never even tested for COVID as "presumed COVID deaths" because, they claim, had the hospital not been full of COVID patients, those people would not have died. <br /><br />That is a bit speculative, don't you think?Divemedichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583007051962299381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-26496958201584155192020-04-25T13:41:35.833-04:002020-04-25T13:41:35.833-04:00Only 1900 more dead since yesterday.
It's just...Only 1900 more dead since yesterday.<br />It's just the flu.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-23949178709227437172020-04-25T12:52:32.216-04:002020-04-25T12:52:32.216-04:00More actual Doctors coming out with common sense.
...More actual Doctors coming out with common sense.<br />https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/<br /><br />I've stopped listening to the pretend doctor fearmongers, and I think everyone else should too.<br />If you're not a real Doctor, STFU and start listening to the professionals. Please.<br />The real numbers do not lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-73732924210512524692020-04-25T12:47:32.564-04:002020-04-25T12:47:32.564-04:00Russel Means told America about the dem party, Wel...Russel Means told America about the dem party, Welcome to POW camp 334, which is the official designation of Pine Ride rez. Now, he said, America is a POW camp.<br /> Want to see what's next? Watch the Hunger Games. Normal people forced to live on a reservation while neoliberals rule. Me, I grew up American Indian in a very liberal state, and like Means, I have the scars on my body to prove it. If you meet an apple (red on the outside, rotten to a liberal core) remind them to use a letter when blaming America for our troubles. that letter is almost always D, for Democrat.redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01931318371181387847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-14606165604686342772020-04-25T08:28:40.983-04:002020-04-25T08:28:40.983-04:00@Aesop -
Here in Midwestia, we have our choice of...@Aesop - <br />Here in Midwestia, we have our choice of 5, 15, and 90 minute tests. All of which are more accurate than the CDC approved, "Send it in, and we'll get back to you eventually" tests.McChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10243337792601085456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-91201789175401152302020-04-25T03:15:55.549-04:002020-04-25T03:15:55.549-04:00I don't have any inside info there.
My place ...I don't have any inside info there.<br /><br />My place is still doing nasal swab sendouts, with a 24-120 hr(!) turnaround. <br />L.A. county and <i>USNS Mercy</i> are apparently doing 15-minute POC tests.<br /><br />The rapid Point Of Care tests need to become the standard.<br />Waiting 1-5 days doesn't cut it.Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-56134265411558566562020-04-25T00:07:35.479-04:002020-04-25T00:07:35.479-04:00@Aesop, absolutely we need universal testing. &quo...@Aesop, absolutely we need universal testing. "When do you think we can do universal testing?" wasn't a rhetorical question. My impression is that you may know more about the testing supply chain than I do.<br /><br />There are some accidental experiments which maybe ought to get looked at more closely. I think about 80% of the people on the Diamond Princess were NOT infected, but in that Ohio prison it's somewhere over 70%. <br /><br />Would it be worth investigating the <i>uninfected</i> people, especially from the prisons but also the Princess from those and similar populations? Starting maybe with Antibodies to SARS-CoV-2? Other coronaviruses?Peter Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15122781534685443942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-48605897474756220482020-04-24T21:49:34.329-04:002020-04-24T21:49:34.329-04:00If you don't do universal testing, you're ...If you <i>don't</i> do universal testing, you're wearing a meat suit in a tiger cage. Suture self.<br /><br />Nothing requires federal tracking of every swinging Richard. That'd be <i>1984</i> levels of asinine. As it was designed to be.<br /><br />People that boot PPE use will end up infectious in quarantine lockdowns, and deserve what happens afterwards.<br />The asymptomatic carrier Typhoid Marys are what's been driving this bus since Day One. Just like Mary, they need to be locked up.<br /><br />I'm going with least-bad outcomes, rather than trying to (impossibly) maintain vulnerable pops indefinitely under lockdown. <i>Someone</i> has to feed them, water them, and turn them towards the light, and that's just as problematic as "least-bad".<br /><br />And this isn't "everywhere", because even in the NYFC Extreme Hot Zone, with daily subway use, and NYFC levels of thik skull stupidity, it's only penetrated, using recockulous methodology and dubious testing, to about 20%. Meaning 80% remain unexposed. Most of the country is at 0-4%.<br /><br /><br />NYFC is what you get with <i>no</i> sensible measures.<br />Wyoming is what you get with even a half-ass lockdown.<br />The entire health care system, including ER and ICU, is coping with this with masks and gloves. With minimal impact.<br />A 10% Gilligan rate is inevitable, <i>even among them</i>.<br />I think we can thread the needle between "no" (ER/ICU)and "few" (WY) cases (with which we can cope), without going all the way to "rampant"(NYFC).<br />We deserve to give it a try.<br /><br />Perfection is not an achievable standard.<br />Change my mind.<br /><br />It seems a helluva lot better than endless quarantine, or just walking into the propeller facefirst to let this "just burn itself through everyone", and rack up a few million dead.<br /><br />And if TPTB try to do this without universal testing, and don't hard-quarantine the infected/infectious?<br />It's NYFC, over and over and over and over and over...Aesophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07834464741531503378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-38599215138425399442020-04-24T21:19:17.293-04:002020-04-24T21:19:17.293-04:00I'm always willing to go out of my way to avoi...I'm always willing to go out of my way to avoid "the state". It's part of the 'rules'. Know the boundaries so you can hide when your over the border.HMS Defianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024721130102173694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6322916946732811685.post-82305080719669669932020-04-24T18:53:54.009-04:002020-04-24T18:53:54.009-04:00Being that thing is already all over the country, ...Being that thing is already all over the country, and has been since December, why are we doing what we're doing?<br />It doesn't make any sense. Most people that get this will not die, that is already proven. So why are we treating this like ebola?<br />PPE does little to mitigate the effects, as most using it don't know how to use it, and what about herd immunity? <br />Look at the Swedes and Norwegians. If this was worse than the regular flu, why aren't tens of thousands of people dying over there right now?<br />I've given myself and my family until the end of the month to go along with this quarantine and isolation from others on the street to be respectful of others, but after that I'm back to shaking hands and life as normal. The odds are we've already had this thing and shown few to no symptoms.<br />To the persistent scaremongers out there, once this thing passes, your opinions will carry no weight whatsoever. You'll be the idiots in the crowd. And disregarding meaningful discourse will come back to haunt you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com