YARGB has a post up about the old school bare-knuckle boxers and how their exaggerated stance wasn't stupid. To the contrary:
To modern eyes the stance of the old-time bare-knuckle brawlers looks ridiculous, but it actually served a purpose. Due to the risk of hurting their hands by hitting the bones of the skull, head punches were less common. Although they would hit the chin and face, most of the punches were thrown at the body. That meant the boxers lowered their defense to guard against body shots.
This is a nifty post that shows that (a) our ancestors were actually pretty smart and adaptable and (b) when we think they were being dumb, it's very likely that we're the ones being dumb because we don't know what they knew.
YARGB's post jumped out at me because of a nifty book that The Queen Of The World got me for Christmas: Mike Silver's The Arc Of Boxing: The Rise and Decline of the Sweet Science. I ran across this on Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast when he interviewed Silver. The podcast starts from the premise that Boxing is the only modern sport where the athletes of past ages are better than modern athletes.
This struck a chord with me. Way back in the day, we used to enjoy Friday Night Fights on network TV. This was back in the Muhammad Ali era and I used to really look forward to the show. I was never what you'd call a devotee of the Sweet Science, but there's no question that the sport has degenerated into what Silver calls a "Human Demolition Derby".
Silver's book is convincing. The lack of skill among today's boxers is glaring, even to a novice viewer like me. The footwork is gone, the weave in is gone, the feint is gone. Looking at some of Ali's matches on Youtube shows what we've lost. "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" has turned into "take a punch to give a punch". In Silver's view, the craftsmanship is gone.
I highly recommend anyone remotely interested in the subject to listen to Carlin's interview with Silver. In this day of champions with 30 or 40 professional bouts, I hadn't known about Harry Greb, "The Pittsburgh Windmill" who fought 328 professional bouts. Of course Greb had more skill than today's boxers, because he had ten times the experience.
Interesting take on it, and I remember watching FNF with my grandfather, and him saying they weren't as good as they used to be (He'd seen Dempsey et al fight).
ReplyDeleteGrappling and throwing (though no holding below the belt) was also permitted under LPR and Broughton's rules (the latter are at https://sirwilliamhope.org/Library/Mendoza/) which will also have some bearing on the stance.
ReplyDeleteI see evolution in all sports. Base stealing in baseball and hitting for average have been replaced with Slugging/ Home Runs. Free throw percentages are worse today, but 3 point attempts and successes are way up. The run in football has given way to more passing. Some QB only use the shotgun snap now.
ReplyDeleteSome of these changes were driven by rule changes, others by technology, some caused by math, and yes, some caused by athlete improvement. I'm sure some were driven by fan reaction.
Ive not read the book, but I'd guess that in boxing the boxers today are stronger, but the 'switch' that causes a knockout has stayed the same. Therefore, better chance at getting a knockout means more boxers try for knockouts. Plus, with a knockout there can't be a 'bad' judges decision.