Saturday, July 27, 2019


Glen Filthie, in the comments to the last post on capital punishment said the following,
" Moral folk are in more danger from the monsters than their govt. it isn’t even a discussion."
Glen, I'm mostly with you on capital punishment, I think there's no way out of it. However, you lose me when you say moral folks are at more risk from criminals than their government. The history of the 20th Century clearly puts the lie to that statement.

There's 60 million dead in Stalin's purges.
There's 20 million dead in Nazi Germany's efforts.

Those two alone exceed the worldwide murder rate for the 20th Century. We could add Pol Pot in Cambodia, the Vietnamese purges following the fall of Saigon, the Chinese Great Leap Forward, the Armenian Genocide, Angola, Uganda, and many lesser incidents.

If you go further back in history than the last century, the numbers just keep climbing, even though the overall population was not as high.

Being killed by your government isn't just more likely than being killed by a criminal, it is more likely than being killed in a war, either as a soldier or a civilian. It's so common it even has a name.



McChuck said...

20 million for Hitler? I thought it was supposed to be 12 million.

The Lab Manager said...

Glen needs to go read some article by Paul Craig Roberts over the years. The feds and other drug crimes usually end up with a plea bargain deal because the defendant does not have the means to fight a pile of charges.

Look at the abuse of civil forfeiture laws by, wait for it, local and federal government.

I'm all for murderers and such getting exterminated, but it's such a dicey issue when it's with the government.

ASM826 said...

12 million Jews. Another 8 for gays, mentally and physically defective, Romany, political enemies and so on. Anyway, if it was 12, his contribution would still make the same point.

Miguel GFZ said...

You missed Mao's. Between the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution and assorted "adjustments" he democided 80 million.

Glen Filthie said...

I plead guilty to sloppy expression - but not to sloppy thinking BP. You are of course correct; what I should have said is that we have more to fear from our current crop of serial murderers, thugs and other failed liberal social experiments - than we do from out current govt.

But your premise of blaming gubbimints for immoral crimes against humanity? I shall formally charge and accuse YOU with sloppy thinking - but I will do it over at the Thunderbox where I can bloviate - safely out of rifle range. :)

ASM826 said...

I will await your bloviating in the bunker with my head down.

Glen Filthie said...

ASM the older I get, the more confused I become. Especially about morality and what that means.

Jester said...

I think that while some of us might say one thing is better than another what's missed is this discussion. And Ill just say it but while you fools run around in circles and high five each other with yep you're right about this stuff... uh there is a real war going on out here. At least in the aspects of why socialists win. Yes yes everything makes sense to us. Yesssssssssssssssss. but the problem is not making sense to us it's gonnna be about making sense to those that do not get it especially with all the meme culture out there. You guys are fighting the last war even with memes.