So you think that damaging someone's property is acceptable? Are you the parking police?
Do you understand that doing so can have some serious consequences? Some people are irrational and violent and will respond with unlawful violence against someone keying their car.
Perhaps it is better to mind your own business and not play parking cop.
Tom, you are only partly right and thus totally wrong.
it is none of my business how someone parks until it infringes on my ability to park at which point the parking is infringing on me and thus it is my business.
When someone becomes so selfish that they are willing to make others lives more difficult, then by social contract they deserve to get that which they believe is the reason that justifies their behaviour. So, if you take up 2 spots because you are afraid someone might ding your door, then you deserve to have your door dinged. If you take up 4 spots because you are fearful of your new paint job, then you deserve to have that paint job fixed in such a manor that you need not worry about it being damaged.
If in the case where you decide to take up a handicapped spot, and I see you jump out and run into some store; well, I have been known to pull in immediately behind you so that you cannot move and contact the police and the towing company.
Now, personally, when I am that worried about my paint job (like when I built show trucks) I carried a cover with me and parked out on the outskirts of the lot. It reduced my likelihood of having my vehicle damaged substantially and only inconvenienced me in that I had to walk a few hundred feet more.
I am definitely correct in my assessment: you have no power to cause damage to another's property for a mere feeling of inconvenience. Doing so opens you up to retaliation.
I see the word "deserve" in your response. Your advocacy for causing damage to property is based upon your irritation at being inconvenienced. I agree that double parking is certainly rude when parking is tight, but I typically do not see people double parking in such instances. Sometimes what I do see is that people are doing things to cars when there is plenty of parking. I see people messing with cars parked over a line and there are dozens of empty spaces all around that car. Frequently, that car is parked far away from other cars at the edge of the lot. This is the perfect example of parking lot cop mentality.
Respect others property and mind your own business. If parking is truly tight, then rather than damaging the car, would it not make sense to contact the lot owner and have the car towed? It divorces you from the punishment (you're not going to get caught damaging the car) and the owner suffers a major inconvenience.
Tom: you said "I am definitely correct in my assessment: you have no power to cause damage to another's property for a mere feeling of inconvenience. Doing so opens you up to retaliation." - False: I have the power to do so. Justification is up for debate in many views. Power however not up for debate at all.
You said "Your advocacy for causing damage to property is based upon your irritation at being inconvenienced." False again. My statement does not advocate anything first and second were my statements an advocacy they are not based over my irritation at being inconvenienced. Rather they would be based at my actually being inconvenienced rather than my irritation at being so.
you said "I agree that double parking is certainly rude when parking is tight, but I typically do not see people double parking in such instances." And you point is that people are more justified at some times than others to be assholes? What is your present justification so that we may determine whether your replies are normal dickishness or a special form of it.
You said "Respect others property and mind your own business." Yeap that is what we are all saying. You just can't to get past your cognitive dissonance. When you infringe on my ability to park and violate the social contract then you are no longer minding your own business or respecting their property. Fact of the matter is this: You break societies rules, you get paid back for it. So go ahead and take what you want Tom, just be willing to pay the price for it.
Short and sweet version: You are being hypocritical, selfish and trying to justify your bad behaviour while making it appear as others are to blame. Are you certain your are not either a democrat or some other type -redacted-? I hear the Hillary may need someone to justify her practices and it seems that you can do anything Huma has done so far, perhaps you could submit a resume to the clinton foundation.
My bad behavior? We are not talking about me at all. My car is really small and all I have to do is park within three inches of the curb (just enough for my foot to fit) in a corner spot or partially over some blocked out yellow lines where nobody can park anyway. If in doubt, I park as far out as possible. Another alternative is to park at an angle inside the lines while estimating where the other doors will be (this takes a minute of fiddling to do). If it is busy and I know things will be tight, I take my truck.
There is always another spot and alternatives if one exercises a bit of patience and awareness. Instead of choosing the high road, you choose to be vindictive and risk a physical confrontation. Some people are not rational about their cars and will retaliate. Keying a car is vandalism and can be a felony if the value of the damage is high enough (in some states). As a person focused upon personal defense, I instead choose to avoid the possibility such confrontations by exercising patience and a bit of emotional intelligence. A few minutes of my time is nothing compared to the time wasted with police and court if there is a physical confrontation or a charge of vandalism.
It is not your business how someone parks. You are not the owner of the property and have no say in managing it.
ReplyDeleteDoes it not occur to you that people park like that because people are so disrespectful with their cars?
Then park at the far reaches of the parking lot. When someone double parks in the front row they deserve to get their car keyed.
DeleteSo you think that damaging someone's property is acceptable? Are you the parking police?
ReplyDeleteDo you understand that doing so can have some serious consequences? Some people are irrational and violent and will respond with unlawful violence against someone keying their car.
Perhaps it is better to mind your own business and not play parking cop.
Tom, you are only partly right and thus totally wrong.
ReplyDeleteit is none of my business how someone parks until it infringes on my ability to park at which point the parking is infringing on me and thus it is my business.
When someone becomes so selfish that they are willing to make others lives more difficult, then by social contract they deserve to get that which they believe is the reason that justifies their behaviour. So, if you take up 2 spots because you are afraid someone might ding your door, then you deserve to have your door dinged. If you take up 4 spots because you are fearful of your new paint job, then you deserve to have that paint job fixed in such a manor that you need not worry about it being damaged.
If in the case where you decide to take up a handicapped spot, and I see you jump out and run into some store; well, I have been known to pull in immediately behind you so that you cannot move and contact the police and the towing company.
Now, personally, when I am that worried about my paint job (like when I built show trucks) I carried a cover with me and parked out on the outskirts of the lot. It reduced my likelihood of having my vehicle damaged substantially and only inconvenienced me in that I had to walk a few hundred feet more.
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ReplyDeleteI am definitely correct in my assessment: you have no power to cause damage to another's property for a mere feeling of inconvenience. Doing so opens you up to retaliation.
ReplyDeleteI see the word "deserve" in your response. Your advocacy for causing damage to property is based upon your irritation at being inconvenienced. I agree that double parking is certainly rude when parking is tight, but I typically do not see people double parking in such instances. Sometimes what I do see is that people are doing things to cars when there is plenty of parking. I see people messing with cars parked over a line and there are dozens of empty spaces all around that car. Frequently, that car is parked far away from other cars at the edge of the lot. This is the perfect example of parking lot cop mentality.
Respect others property and mind your own business. If parking is truly tight, then rather than damaging the car, would it not make sense to contact the lot owner and have the car towed? It divorces you from the punishment (you're not going to get caught damaging the car) and the owner suffers a major inconvenience.
Tom:
ReplyDeleteyou said "I am definitely correct in my assessment: you have no power to cause damage to another's property for a mere feeling of inconvenience. Doing so opens you up to retaliation." - False: I have the power to do so. Justification is up for debate in many views. Power however not up for debate at all.
You said "Your advocacy for causing damage to property is based upon your irritation at being inconvenienced." False again. My statement does not advocate anything first and second were my statements an advocacy they are not based over my irritation at being inconvenienced. Rather they would be based at my actually being inconvenienced rather than my irritation at being so.
you said "I agree that double parking is certainly rude when parking is tight, but I typically do not see people double parking in such instances." And you point is that people are more justified at some times than others to be assholes? What is your present justification so that we may determine whether your replies are normal dickishness or a special form of it.
You said "Respect others property and mind your own business." Yeap that is what we are all saying. You just can't to get past your cognitive dissonance. When you infringe on my ability to park and violate the social contract then you are no longer minding your own business or respecting their property. Fact of the matter is this: You break societies rules, you get paid back for it. So go ahead and take what you want Tom, just be willing to pay the price for it.
Short and sweet version:
You are being hypocritical, selfish and trying to justify your bad behaviour while making it appear as others are to blame. Are you certain your are not either a democrat or some other type -redacted-? I hear the Hillary may need someone to justify her practices and it seems that you can do anything Huma has done so far, perhaps you could submit a resume to the clinton foundation.
My bad behavior? We are not talking about me at all. My car is really small and all I have to do is park within three inches of the curb (just enough for my foot to fit) in a corner spot or partially over some blocked out yellow lines where nobody can park anyway. If in doubt, I park as far out as possible. Another alternative is to park at an angle inside the lines while estimating where the other doors will be (this takes a minute of fiddling to do). If it is busy and I know things will be tight, I take my truck.
ReplyDeleteThere is always another spot and alternatives if one exercises a bit of patience and awareness. Instead of choosing the high road, you choose to be vindictive and risk a physical confrontation. Some people are not rational about their cars and will retaliate. Keying a car is vandalism and can be a felony if the value of the damage is high enough (in some states). As a person focused upon personal defense, I instead choose to avoid the possibility such confrontations by exercising patience and a bit of emotional intelligence. A few minutes of my time is nothing compared to the time wasted with police and court if there is a physical confrontation or a charge of vandalism.
@Tom ... and plonk
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