Sunday, August 9, 2015

Bill Whittle, Hiroshima, and the Facts

Listen to his words and the documented facts of the events of August 1945.

Okay, now you're back. My added thoughts:
If we had invaded Japan, we would have lost somewhere around a million Americans, killed tens of millions of Japanese and destroyed everything that remained of the infrastructure of the country. It would been far more suffering.

Additionally, we would had to pull out the bulk of our troops from Europe. In fact, that had started to happen. Veterans from the war in Europe were being brought home to camps in the U.S. to train and build new units for the planned invasion of the home islands of Japan. An incredible effort that would have made the Normandy invasion pale by comparison. This would have left Europe undefended. There would have been no Marshall Plan, all our resources would have been directed elsewhere.

Stalin's armies, far larger than the U.S. and Britain combined, would have been left to real with aftermath of the Nazi defeat. I suspect Stalin would have rolled to the Atlantic unopposed. The Iron Curtain would have descended on all of Western Europe.

 If Truman had the ability to use this weapon and not ordered it, he would have been guilty of the worst treason and culpable for all the additional deaths of American troops that would have occurred.


Glen Filthie said...

A point of historical order: the facts that I have say that by the time the first bomb fell - Japan was already on the ropes. The air force had been decimated by the kamikaze attacks on the American navy and shipping. Their navy - what was left of it - was now a sitting duck for American dive bombers that were now rolling off the assembly line faster than you could count them. The sleeping giant had awoken and he was madder than hell about it too. In Japan, school girls were pushed into making and using Arisaka rifles. In some areas citizens were already beginning to starve. The brass surely knew some of this as the Enigma codes had been compromised. It wouldn't have been a cakewalk but nor would it have been a meat grinder like Guadalcanal.

None of this is meant to denounce or denigrate America; America should not have to apologize to Japan after what they did in China, Korea, and Burma. They have never apologized to their victims to this day. Once they were defeated, America treated the Japanese far better than they treated the countries they conquered. The argument of whether or not the bomb was necessary to end the war is irrelevant in my opinion - if nothing else, those horrific casualties were just punishment to a nation of people that had made villainy a national foreign policy. Now, more than ever, we need to keep that in mind.

A word of warning, Gents - recently I came across a contemptible novel written by some lickspittle whose name I forgot - and I wish I could wash my eyes out. If you ever come across a tome called 'Flyboys' - either use it to start the campfire or to wipe with in the out house. It was written by - what do they call those cretins again? Yellow journalists? Whatever - but if you insist on reading it, don't say ya weren't warned and keep a puke bucket close to hand.

STxAR said...

My uncle cleaned out his Reader's Digest vault when I was a middling teen. I remember reading about Korea, and the run up to Vietnam. I think it was in that huge pile of RD's that I read about a Japanese soldier that stayed true to the emperor until the late 60's. Stuck on an island, the last of his squad, still ready to kill for Hirohito.

One thing that we must never forget, they fought to the death. They never surrendered. If it meant sticks, rocks or fingernails, they were gonna fight to the death. Heck, they had balloon bees in Japan. Making explosives to be carried on the jet stream to the US. They were all in.

Same mentality as the muslim.

Old 1811 said...

A good book about the political and military planning for the invasion (on both sides) and the political and military aftermath of the bombing, is Downfall, by Richard B. Frank.
The book doesn't mention it, but when Admiral Halsey took over the Pacific Fleet early in the war, he made a speech in which he said, "When this war is over, the Japanese language will only be spoken in Hell." But for the bomb, that would have happened.

Daniel Hewett said...

People discuss the number killed in Hiroshima to discuss the horror of nuclear power. The battle of Stalingrad took 10-12 million lives. The equivalent of 60 Hiroshimas. All I hear about that is crickets chirping. Oh yeah, and where is the outrage of the 40-80 million people that Stalin had executed.

Paul Bonneau said...

All members of the ruling class are war criminals. It's just those on the losing side who have to pay for it.

Paul Bonneau said...

One upside of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, by the way: it showed what horrors two relatively small nukes could accomplish, thus making future resort to nuclear weapons (when the numbers and sizes of those weapons were MUCH greater) that much less likely. Nukes became the weapons that could never be used. It's possible those peoples' deaths were the least wasteful of the entire war. Unlike Dresden for example...

Will said...

For the most accurate info on the planned invasion of Japan, the anticipated losses projected by both sides, and the actual defenses in place, read this book:

Hell to pay : Operation Downfall and the invasion of Japan, 1945-47 / D.M. Giangreco

Published in 2009, he looked at all the data collected by the Allies after the surrender. He has written a horror story with just facts.

Lots of intelligence misconceptions became historical "facts", such as they were out of fuel and planes. They had stockpiled about 15,000 planes for kamikaze use, mostly underground, with the gasoline needed. We thought they had run low, because they stopped flying, but they were just conserving for the anticipated invasion.

The Japanese had figured out exactly when and where the invasions would happen, and were stockpiling munitions along the routes we would have to pass. They accidentally discovered that their wooden training planes were not visible to US Navy radar, and a notable percentage of the stocked planes fit this category.

The head of our military (Marshall?) was pushing for the use of all the nukes as beachhead and route clearance tools. Imagine running our entire invasion ground force over land that had just been nuked a few minutes before! Plus having most of our fleet within a few miles of them.

The Japanese High Command was willing to lose at least HALF of their population to stop the invasion. We were expecting to lose a million, and that turns out to have been wildly optimistic, since it was based on a very poor estimate of what the Japanese had available. Those military people that got a look at what they had ready for us just about shit themselves. The conclusion was that the invasion would have been hosed. EVERYBODY on BOTH SIDES dodged a bullet when they dropped those two A-bombs.