Shops are burning in Clapham and Notting Hill. Cars have been torched in Fulham Broadway. The Ledbury Michelin-star restaurant in Notting Hill was raided and the diners mugged. There are reports on Twitter of people carrying machetes in Notting Hill and Balham.Those are all pretty SWPL areas of London. You know, the place the Great Britain used to be, before the elite decided that the well behaved majority needed to be put into their place.
Sort of like Massachusetts, in fact. Old England, New England.
yer ccl and pistol won't do much against a crowd of hundreds. Even with a spare mag at your belt.
ReplyDeleteWater cannon,rubber bullets,& birdshot thats what is needed!
ReplyDeleteMr B ... The crowd increases the odds that YOU might NOT get hit as opposed to a face to face encounter. I doubt the 8, 15 or 30 of hundreds to be hit would feel that the pistol didn't do much. Hide in a crowd much?
ReplyDeleteSO what do you do after your reload and the slide locks back and you now are facing an even more enraged crowd of people, with their number down by, say 20? Has your situation materially improved? There are still enough members in the crowd to kill or injure you should the decide to overwhelm you. It is possible that they will break and run, but that only happens sometimes. Crowd mentality (especially in some "Urban demographics") is strange. You are as likely top enrage them as drive them off.
ReplyDeleteI carry, I practice, but the handgun on your hip with 20 (or even 30) rounds is materially useless in a crowd of hundred(s). Like the bear, all you are going to do if you shoot is likely piss the crowd off.
I'm not saying that shooting might not be your best option, but it will be the best of a slew of very poor options.
Better, if possible, to NOT BE THERE. If possible.
But to stand (alone) your ground with only a firearm (of any kind) against a crowd of a hundred or more is not a good idea.
But to stand (alone) your ground with only a firearm (of any kind) against a crowd of a hundred or more is not a good idea.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. In that situation escape is the better choice. You don't have to fight the whole mob, just the part that's keeping you from leaving.
It's worth considering because it's coming here. Bet on it We talked about the Milwaukee situation over at my place the other day. I have to say I'm pretty much on the side of Dave H and Mr.B.
ReplyDeleteIf you get caught there, do your damnedest to not get involved. Use your gun as last resort, expecting you either die there, or get killed on the installment plan by being dragged through court until you're bled dry. You're just a raaaacciissst who carried a gun all you life just so you could kill a poor, struggling, deprived underclass youth.
Hypothetically.
ReplyDeleteThe crowd is thinned; by at least 8 (could be 15 or 30) whom have been shot, another 10 or so may aid/remove the injured and some will flee because of the sight/sound of a gun. I don't think the shooter is necessarily a sitting duck with 50 or so of the 100 'further enraged' crowd remaining. And, again hypothetically, what would be the shooter's motivation? Is he/she simply at the scene of 100's doing violence or is he/she defending their family, home, life? Hypothetically.
It does however make me think to perhaps carry another gun (How many are enough or too many?) and another magazine, maybe keep a rifle at the ready. No, no ... suddenly I need a grenade launcher as well.
And are we not schooled to escape, leave, retreat, RUN first and shoot only as a last resort? Whom among CCW holders would even be at such an event? We'd be home fortifying the castle I'd hope.